Harry to sue UK governmdnt

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This is according to the DM. Over the withdrawal of his security funding.

"can involve"
"Up to"

Not fact as quoted then

I think costs vary dependent on how long things take and how complex the issues are.

It’s normal to provide a guestimate of what legal costs may be, based on previous similar cases as it’s not possible to predict an exact cost of something with variables like a judicial review before it has taken place..

Is the taxpayer getting value for money is a matter of opinion.
Will Prince Harry reimburse the taxpayer if the review doesn’t go his way?
Will he claim his legal costs from the taxpayer if it does?
Those are questions I’d be interested to know the answer to. I don’t think there is anything unfair in him seeking this review and agreeing that parties pay their own costs, and hopefully he can minimise the cost to the UK.

he feels wronged so I'm going to suggest it seems unlikely....

'think Camilla was probably in more danger than Harry and Meghan are. Camilla was so hated'

She was so hated wasn't she. Yet if we are to believe Harry (and his supporters) none of this awful horrid media stuff occurred until he was the victim.

I wonder if anyone has ever thrown bread rolls at Meghan in Waitrose?

@Nishkin. We weren’t discussing his service, we were discussing the butler - a member of the ship’s crew diverted from the job they’re employed for and assigned to a royal on pamper duties.

@UserBot314159

before charles married camilla he arranged security for camilla, ex royal bodyguards, they knew the score but they were for hire because they weren't officially in the game anymore.

Where are you getting the 'ex' from. There was no mention of the PPOs as being former workers in articles.

Surely commercially available security teams can handle photographers. That would be bread and butter to security teams.

The Express article refers to a retired and trusted PPO. And the terminology for POW’s private hire is “security staff”, as opposed to the police.

If Harry feels that it's too unsafe for his family here, of course he should not come

That, of course, would solve a lot of it; as I said, what's wrong with inviting any friends he wants to see to California where they'd probably have a wonderful time? Or carrying on with Zoom meetings for those he really wants to consult?

Obviously it would be a shame if he felt he couldn't visit the UK again, but nobody's yet explained why coming here would be so important to him. Rightly or wrongly this situation is all part and parcel of the choice he made, and I'd have expected him to know that you can't "buy" police protection (or at least to be told)

And don't we always say on here that choices have consequences which have to be sucked up?

@JaniieJones

'think Camilla was probably in more danger than Harry and Meghan are. Camilla was so hated'

She was so hated wasn't she. Yet if we are to believe Harry (and his supporters) none of this awful horrid media stuff occurred until he was the victim.

Camilla was hated, not now. Harry and Meghan are hated and are at risk. They may never come to the UK and the Queen will never meet Lillibet. But life will go on.

@Puzzledandpissedoff

If Harry feels that it's too unsafe for his family here, of course he should not come

That, of course, would solve a lot of it; as I said, what's wrong with inviting any friends he wants to see to California where they'd probably have a wonderful time? Or carrying on with Zoom meetings for those he really wants to consult?

Obviously it would be a shame if he felt he couldn't visit the UK again, but nobody's yet explained why coming here would be so important to him. Rightly or wrongly this situation is all part and parcel of the choice he made, and I'd have expected him to know that you can't "buy" police protection (or at least to be told)

And don't we always say on here that choices have consequences which have to be sucked up?

You don't think seeing his grandmother would be important to him?

You'd think he'd be able to cope with his photo in the paper by now

Didn't he say in the South Africa interview that every click of a camera triggers him?

Strange how it seems to be okay when the cameras are driving publicity which suits ...

You don't think seeing his grandmother would be important to him?

Not knowing him personally I couldn't say, but while I realise this is the obvious reply, he didn't seem especially loving towards her when trashing the institution she stands for

[quote Bunnyfuller]@Nishkin. We weren’t discussing his service, we were discussing the butler - a member of the ship’s crew diverted from the job they’re employed for and assigned to a royal on pamper duties.[/quote]
To provide some context even into the early nineteen seventies it wasn’t that unusual for even quite junior officers in the services to be assigned a Batman/batwoman (sometimes a civilian, sometimes serving personnel..it varied depending on service/branch/location) to assist with personnel matters…

Not sure I ever heard of them generally being assigned toothpaste squeezing duties….

@JaniieJones

'think Camilla was probably in more danger than Harry and Meghan are. Camilla was so hated'

She was so hated wasn't she. Yet if we are to believe Harry (and his supporters) none of this awful horrid media stuff occurred until he was the victim.

oh yes Camilla suffered racist abuse. forgot that,

Harry grew up in the UK. He has his whole family and friends here. That is a strange thing to ask why he would come over.

Staying within the RF at the moment was unattainable to him because of how his family was being treated. He diid offer to work like other royals, but in Canada and this was refused to him. ( eg. Prince and Princess Michael of Kent have their own business, while also conducting work for HM).

So either stay here, we mistreat and leak lies about you and your wife or you go is not really a choice.

A precedence has long been set when others royals have paid for security before.

www.theguardian.com/uk/2002/may/11/monarchy.stephenbates

Nobody is suggesting he shouldn't pay for security, but the Police are not for hire.

@Puzzledandpissedoff

You'd think he'd be able to cope with his photo in the paper by now

Didn't he say in the South Africa interview that every click of a camera triggers him?

Strange how it seems to be okay when the cameras are driving publicity which suits ...

He knows who the reporters and photographers are in the British media and he knows exactly what they will write about him and his wife the next day. He sees them, they are right there. He knows who will spin and who won't.

oh yes Camilla suffered racist abuse. forgot that,

And several Neo Nazis were arrested and everything.

Harry grew up in the UK. He has his whole family and friends here

Perfectly true, but then we're back with what I mentioned about choices having consequences, even for Harry

@Puzzledandpissedoff

You don't think seeing his grandmother would be important to him?

Not knowing him personally I couldn't say, but while I realise this is the obvious reply, he didn't seem especially loving towards her when trashing the institution she stands for

Okay so anyone publicly criticising their family doesn't love or care for any member of that family?

@Puzzledandpissedoff

Harry grew up in the UK. He has his whole family and friends here

Perfectly true, but then we're back with what I mentioned about choices having consequences, even for Harry

I can't think of any circumstance where a family fall out however public, which means you can't see any of the family or friends you knew before that fallout. It is a strange concept that someone should be totally ostracised and banished forever. If that really was the Royal Families opinion, I would be very unimpressed.

@KravMaga

I think costs vary dependent on how long things take and how complex the issues are.

It’s normal to provide a guestimate of what legal costs may be, based on previous similar cases as it’s not possible to predict an exact cost of something with variables like a judicial review before it has taken place..

Is the taxpayer getting value for money is a matter of opinion.
Will Prince Harry reimburse the taxpayer if the review doesn’t go his way?
Will he claim his legal costs from the taxpayer if it does?
Those are questions I’d be interested to know the answer to. I don’t think there is anything unfair in him seeking this review and agreeing that parties pay their own costs, and hopefully he can minimise the cost to the UK.

The taxpayer is not getting value for money either way. Things will go Harry's way, because as her knows, what he is asking is not new.
As for legal costs, I think it was the palace who told the palace not to provide protection, so maybe they should pay the legal costs.

If they can send the royal officers to help Pippa, they can help Harry and family for a few days of visit.

so anyone publicly criticising their family doesn't love or care for any member of that family?

I guess it depends what they say, but no I wouldn't have said that Harry's words and behaviour suggested love or care for his birth family

As PPs have rightly said families are complicated, but considering this is a forum where the least offence results in "Go NC" or "LTB", the swing to admiring family ties seems a bit ironic - and of course that applies to all parties here