Harry to sue UK governmdnt

[Viviennemary]

This is according to the DM. Over the withdrawal of his security funding.

[quote Nesbo]@Bunnyfuller - the difference is that the threat against him is directly related to the position that we (as a country) have placed him in.

If we didn’t decide that we want to keep his grandmother, and then his father, and then his brother as the ceremonial heads of our country, then he’d just be like any other aristo and none of our business.

But apparently we want to keep up with this idea that his family are appointed by god to lead this nation. And directly as a result of that we have placed his life at risk since birth.

It’s on us to pay for that decision. We have placed him and his family at risk by our choice to maintain the monarchy. And apparently he isn’t even asking us to pay for protection, he wants to pay himself!![/quote]
But that position is no different to Anne or Edward (avoiding mentioning Andrew on purpose)

They don’t have protection except when working.

@Bunnyfuller

I would argue that Greta is under more threat. Or those that openly defy certain factions. Or the police themselves. They receive threats on a daily basis, and some of them are actually carried out.

Harry has no more threat than any other minor royals. He sadly thinks he is more important than he is. There are no jihads against him because he did fuck all on the front line, the same as all the royals who play dress up. My ex was Charles’ ‘butler’ on his last operational trip with the RNand had to have his toothpaste squeezed onto the brush.

The sooner these parasites stop leeching from the public the better. Tourists come to see the buildings, not the infinitesimal chance they’ll see a royal in the flesh. Remove the royals, leave the buildings and share ALL the money across the nation. Stop paying for a wealthy old woman with offshore investments to make more money. Remember the type of people she’s leaving it to.

Charles needed a butler when he was in the Navy?? Really?

Robert Quick, Scotland Yard’s former head of counter-terrorism, whose command included its specialist protection royal officers, said there were multiple sources of threat. “There is an ever-present threat, from the fixated, from those with mental illness, there’s the terror threat to any high-value public figure,” he said.

Harry served in Afghanistan, which may place him at risk, as well as the fact the couple are celebrities in their own right, more so after the interview, which gained widespread attention. “They are the target for kidnap for a political purpose or a hate-driven motive,” Quick said, adding: “You can’t change who they are or their history.”

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/mar/09/ever-present-threat-why-stepping-back-has-not-make-sussexes-safer

@WhiterShadeofPale3 all the royals who ‘serve’ have their own lackey.

The royals wear honorary uniforms. So, for instance, recent pics of Andrew show him wearing RAF uniform. He’s never served in the RAF.

Any royals working (!) with the armed forces are VERY well looked after, and kept away from as much danger as possible. The privilege never stops. Ever.

Of course, they don't see ordinary service.

[quote Bunnyfuller]@WhiterShadeofPale3 all the royals who ‘serve’ have their own lackey.

The royals wear honorary uniforms. So, for instance, recent pics of Andrew show him wearing RAF uniform. He’s never served in the RAF.

Any royals working (!) with the armed forces are VERY well looked after, and kept away from as much danger as possible. The privilege never stops. Ever.[/quote]
I bet this makes them very popular with their fellow officers.

@AllThePogs

Of course, they don't see ordinary service.

Andrew did in the Falklands and so did Harry in Afghanistan

@Justkeeppedaling of course they didn't see ordinary service

@Puzzledandpissedoff

I agree they may not be given a prominent slot, Snowdrop, but would have thought they could still stick them on the balcony somewhere?

After all the Queen's been at pains to say they're still "much loved family members" and they have plenty of others waving from up there who have no active roles

I suspect the RF may be worried that M&H might be collecting snippets of "alleged" conversations, or filming small incidents, to be used later for another tell-all pity-party interview.

Those examples were normal service. That's why flying is a good choice - as long as you can ensure no link to the callsign, there's no reason to hold back.

The remarks quoted earlier by a former police officer show why a person - any person - might be at elevated threat and how that of course would include Harry. He is not referencing a current threat assessment, nor saying that what he describes meets the level at which police protection is provided (which it would be to anyone who met that threshold). Those matters are not disclosed

No one is saying there is no threat to him. What the judicial review is focussing on is the decisionmaking around the withdrawal of police (ie public employees) as part of that security irrespective of threatbassessment. It's not just about who pays, it's about how that (finite) pool of officers is used.

That threat assessments would not be shared with the subject of the threats is inconceivable - all sorts of people, companies and organisations receive warnings.

Lots of rich people hire security teams (like the Beckhams. - serious concerns about plots against their DC) . Others may get some some police assistance (think of eg scientists targeted by animal rights activists, who are told of the threat, given advice hotlines and panic buttons, but CP teams)

If Harry feels that it's too unsafe for his family here, of course he should not come.

Where does this insistence that "he has a lovely relationship with his grandmother" come from?

I find it hard to believe.

We have conflicting reports on everything -
"She was delighted they called the baby Lilibet"
" She was never asked, (probably isn't pleased)"
"They have regular zoom calls"
"No, they don't"

As H&M are proven liars I'm less inclined to take their word in contradictory situations

@derxa

Because they made it clear they have no problem with the queen personally. Well that's big of them!

Of course not. She's the Badge of their Brand in the U.S. "We love her, she loves us" Quite safe to say - the Q would never comment

@AllThePogs

Of course, they don't see ordinary service.

Well loath him or not, cosseted or not, ordinary service or not, just like everybody who sailed with the task force in ‘82 Andrew was certainly at risk during the Falklands War..He certainly wasn’t kept completely out of harms way.

@BadgerB

Where does this insistence that "he has a lovely relationship with his grandmother" come from?

I find it hard to believe.

We have conflicting reports on everything -
"She was delighted they called the baby Lilibet"
" She was never asked, (probably isn't pleased)"
"They have regular zoom calls"
"No, they don't"

As H&M are proven liars I'm less inclined to take their word in contradictory situations

Well that depends on your source of information.

If you believe the hate peddled by the DM you won't have a kind word in your vocabulary. It is nothing to do with factual reporting and everything to do with protecting one's own interests, isn't it Mr (aptly named) Harmsworth?

@Nesbo

If anyone on this thread has been publicly branded a race traitor and/or received credible death threats from the UK and abroad relating to you, your partner and/or your children as a result of your family, please step to the front of the queue.

If not, I’m a bit surprised you feel qualified to criticise him.

No one’s ever threatened to murder my children. It literally doesn’t cross my mind that that might actually happen.

How about you?

Not to mention that his mother was literally murdered by the paparazzi. It is a very real and valid fear for him.

It has been said elsewhere that Harry and his family will be covered by the umbrella of regular police protection while in the company of his family or staying in a royal property so, theoretically, extra protection would only be needed on the journey to and from the airport. Practically, though, they are likely to want to see friends and perhaps make other visits on their trip which is where problems might start. If coverage of these visits is later used in any commercial way (Netflix etc) or appear in another OW interview, then being accompanied by Royal protection officers could prove an embarrassment for HM. They do need protection and credit to Harry for offering to pay but rent-a-cop isn't the answer.

From an article in today's Telegraph

"Home Office sources said they did not recognise Prince Harry’s characterisation of the disagreement over his security arrangements"

And I think you might be on to something there, Snowdrops - security for royal events and at Frogmore, own arrangements for anything else - just like most of the royal family

@bunnyfuller. Was your ex in the navy in 1976 then?

Not to mention that his mother was literally murdered by the paparazzi. It is a very real and valid fear for him.

Diana died because she wasn’t wearing a seatbelt in a car driven by someone who was drunk.

'As it turns out the MET confirmed today that Harry and Meghan (and children) would 'naturally' have protection when staying at Frogmore Cottage and with the Royal Family.'

'What Harry is in fact fighting for is the right to Royal Protection when he is doing things OUTSIDE of the Royal sphere, such as business meeting and money making deals etc. He knows he is covered for the actual visit, what he wants to do is have access to specialist police protection (and we do not have surplus!) whenever he wants for his own purposes. This totally changes it for me.'

Really. Honestly he's an utter embarrassment isn't he.

What Harry is in fact fighting for is the right to Royal Protection when he is doing things OUTSIDE of the Royal sphere, such as business meeting and money making deals etc

Has he said that?
NO.
Last time he was making a charity visit for WellChild and there was an incident on the way to the airport.

Nowhere has he said he wants protection for business meetings and money making deals!
That's a spin you choose to put on it.

The Royal Family would be crazy to get mixed up with him

Errrmmm... he's the Queen's grandson in case you didn't realise!

They don't have any friends left, they stopped speaking to Harry's friends years ago. This is not about visiting family or friends, this is about business deals, and being able to come and go to the UK to 'sell' their wares to the British public

Could you provide a source to show they have no friends? And they just want to do a business deal?

Last time he went to WellChild Charity.

Where is he selling his wares to the British public?