Harry to sue UK governmdnt

[Viviennemary]

This is according to the DM. Over the withdrawal of his security funding.

Roussette my point was that this particular bunch of nutters have been stopped, but they keep being cited as “proof” that there is a threat to HaM. I also said it didn’t necessarily mean that there was an ongoing threat, not that it definitely didn’t mean there was not one. Obviously there could be others out there. As pp have said, if there was a specific threat then the RF would be made aware of it. Nobody has officially commented on any level of threat as this would obviously compromise security, so Harry saying that there is an ongoing threat doesn’t necessarily mean there is one as pp have also said.

Perhaps you only take on white client in your capacity as a security expert and don't have to worry about racist threats against high profile people who are not white.

Why are you lying about what I have posted?

Bizarre!

I also said it didn’t necessarily mean that there was an ongoing threat, not that it definitely didn’t mean there was not one

Smilesy... yes, exactly.

Nesbo has nailed it. I would do everything in my power to protect my family. And he is doing that. And not asking for the public to pay for that.

So strange. As I say, there's armed protection officers at every Embassy in London. Yet, there's an outcry because a member of the RF (like it or not.. he is that) wants to pay to have that sort of protection.

@Nesbo

If anyone on this thread has been publicly branded a race traitor and/or received credible death threats from the UK and abroad relating to you, your partner and/or your children as a result of your family, please step to the front of the queue.

If not, I’m a bit surprised you feel qualified to criticise him.

No one’s ever threatened to murder my children. It literally doesn’t cross my mind that that might actually happen.

How about you?

Yes this has happened to my family. Years ago now though. Due to one of my parent's jobs. I have name changed to post this though for obvious reasons. Not branded a race traitor or anything but threats to kill my one of my parents due to their involvement in a political issue abroad. We got a brief visit from security services, a follow up call to check all was well and then nothing. We are all still here so alls well that ends well I suppose. I know it's not the same but you did ask.

@Nesbo

If anyone on this thread has been publicly branded a race traitor and/or received credible death threats from the UK and abroad relating to you, your partner and/or your children as a result of your family, please step to the front of the queue.

If not, I’m a bit surprised you feel qualified to criticise him.

No one’s ever threatened to murder my children. It literally doesn’t cross my mind that that might actually happen.

How about you?

It happened to my friend, after she made some comments in a professional capacity about a controversial group. She received death threats. She contacted her local police force, in a small regional city. They protected her and her home address, while investigating the threats. The protection stopped once those responsible had been checked out and clearly weren’t going to be able to carry out those threats.

@Puzzledandpissedoff

I would say, having several people convicted and in jail is a 'basis'

So would I, except that they can't do much damage now they're in jail

Of course they're just the ones they've caught, but my overall point is that I'd no more take Harry's assertions as gospel than I would any other RF member's when there have already been so many lies

And showing that there are several of these perpetrators, it's playing whack a mole. You put down one, another two pop up.

@Nesbo All the more reason why he and his family should be provided armed protection when they are in the UK. The notion of a private citizen paying for this level of protection doesn’t sit well, but clearly the vast majority of the public wouldn’t be too happy that their taxes pay for this either so it’s not something that can be resolved easily.

@as - that sounds horrific. How many national newspapers, both here and abroad, were reporting on this?

How many Instagram feeds, Facebook posts, Twitter feeds were live posting every move you made outside your home?

How many opinion pieces were being written in papers condemning your every decision?

I hope the answer is none. Or almost none. Who could live with that as their day to day reality?

Given that many posters on this thread want to return to the times when we protected people on status rather than threat, we’ll need a few million pounds to fund it all.

Not all diplomatic buildings have armed protection: they are all though protected by the Diplomatic Protection Group (DPG) under our Vienna Convention obligations, which mean that our own diplomatic buildings are protected abroad.

Apologies, my @ was at @Yesthishappenedtome

@Nesbo. That kind of threat is made to countless women on a daily basis by abusive partners. And unfortunately far too often the violence actually happens.

What makes him and his family of more value than a British taxpayer?

By this I mean to use a limited resource - regardless if he pays or not, every cop assigned to him is one that can’t do other duties at the same time.

@Doubleraspberry Rather than status, I’d say it’s more so about the perceived threat and whether it’s worth the risk?

[quote Bunnyfuller]@Nesbo. That kind of threat is made to countless women on a daily basis by abusive partners. And unfortunately far too often the violence actually happens.

What makes him and his family of more value than a British taxpayer?

By this I mean to use a limited resource - regardless if he pays or not, every cop assigned to him is one that can’t do other duties at the same time.[/quote]
exactly which i guess is why they are saying no even though hes offering to pay for it

@nottodaybatman Didn’t the queen make the Way Ahead Group ( not sinister sounding at all lol ) to protect Andrew’s reputation way back when?

Rather than status, I’d say it’s more so about the perceived threat and whether it’s worth the risk?.
What do you mean by “perceived threat”? Is this quantifiable? If not then it is totally subjective and I wouldn’t have thought it could be used as a useful standard 🤷‍♀️

[quote AutomaticMoon]@nottodaybatman Didn’t the queen make the Way Ahead Group ( not sinister sounding at all lol ) to protect Andrew’s reputation way back when?[/quote]
No - that was to formulate a path forward for bringing the RF up to date. Nothing to do with Andrew - other than the fact that Charles wanted to eliminate him from the core of the business at that point.

@Bunnyfuller - the difference is that the threat against him is directly related to the position that we (as a country) have placed him in.

If we didn’t decide that we want to keep his grandmother, and then his father, and then his brother as the ceremonial heads of our country, then he’d just be like any other aristo and none of our business.

But apparently we want to keep up with this idea that his family are appointed by god to lead this nation. And directly as a result of that we have placed his life at risk since birth.

It’s on us to pay for that decision. We have placed him and his family at risk by our choice to maintain the monarchy. And apparently he isn’t even asking us to pay for protection, he wants to pay himself!!

@smilesy I don’t follow the royal family news very closely but if Harry believes that his wife and children require armed protection for the sake of their safety, I’m inclined to believe him. Besides numerous posters have shared links of people being arrested etc., so my question is whether it’s worth the risk? I personally don’t think it is.

Well said @Bunnyfuller.

@WatchMyChops. Ah I see you mean threat as perceived by Harry. Sorry I wasn’t sure. Well yes he may well feel unsafe, but so do lots of people but they don’t get armed protection. There is not an infinite number of Special Protection officers to go around. Other members of the RF don’t get protection unless they are on official duty. And as has also been said, it is likely that if there were a credible threat, the RF and he would be made aware of it.

[quote smilesy]@WatchMyChops. Ah I see you mean threat as perceived by Harry. Sorry I wasn’t sure. Well yes he may well feel unsafe, but so do lots of people but they don’t get armed protection. There is not an infinite number of Special Protection officers to go around. Other members of the RF don’t get protection unless they are on official duty. And as has also been said, it is likely that if there were a credible threat, the RF and he would be made aware of it.[/quote]
Yep, we don’t make operational decisions costing a large amount of public money, and diverting scarce resource from arguably more necessary work, based on what people on the internet reckon.

We are absolutely protecting on status rather than threat if we propose to protect a member of the Royal Family without a threat assessment that concludes it’s justified on a risk basis. We are protecting them purely on the basis of the perceived risk brought about by their status.

One more point - Harry is irrelevant to the line line of succession. 6th in line - really he is a busted flush as someone said. He may be in danger as a high profile person but so are many others. He could have chosen to take a role in the RF but didn't. I do not think that taxpayers should pay for his security now he has made that choice and nor do I think he should be able to pay for the police when they are needed else where - Just pay for your own security Harry and when you are with Grandma I suspect they we be looking out for you.

He chose a different path and I think he needs to think that through. He can afford security for himself I suspect & at RF events - the police will keep an eye out for him. But even if he pays I would be cross if the police have to divert their resources to him rather than other things. We cannot just magic up extra police.

[quote AutomaticMoon]@nottodaybatman Didn’t the queen make the Way Ahead Group ( not sinister sounding at all lol ) to protect Andrew’s reputation way back when?[/quote]
It was 1992, post-annus horribilis; a disaster management squad was formed to prevent the collapse of the monarchy. Queen did a cost-benefit analysis and realised she'd have to start paying income tax and fork out for the Windsor fire, to stop the peasants rebelling after her sons' 2 very expensive royal weddings ended in divorce.

www-express-co-uk.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1004982/Royal-family-way-ahead-group-queen-prince-philip-prince-charles-diana-windsor-castle-fire/

I would argue that Greta is under more threat. Or those that openly defy certain factions. Or the police themselves. They receive threats on a daily basis, and some of them are actually carried out.

Harry has no more threat than any other minor royals. He sadly thinks he is more important than he is. There are no jihads against him because he did fuck all on the front line, the same as all the royals who play dress up. My ex was Charles’ ‘butler’ on his last operational trip with the RNand had to have his toothpaste squeezed onto the brush.

The sooner these parasites stop leeching from the public the better. Tourists come to see the buildings, not the infinitesimal chance they’ll see a royal in the flesh. Remove the royals, leave the buildings and share ALL the money across the nation. Stop paying for a wealthy old woman with offshore investments to make more money. Remember the type of people she’s leaving it to.

@Bunnyfuller - I agree with so much of what you say - but until there is a republic we have what we have. So pragmatically - we pay for the Queen and direct people who will take over - Harry - I think he is irrelevant - whilst we have we have what we have I am OK with e.g. Anne having security whilst she is acting for the RF for the country - Anyone else - keep your head down and don't expect us to pay for you. I do agree Harry thinks he is more important than he is.