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Prince Andrew Thread 2

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Roussette · 03/01/2022 11:34

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/4442126-Prince-Andrew

Here is previous thread.

I've started a new thread because today and tomorrow is crucial as far as the pending civil case.

And I also had a few comments I wanted to say to posters at the end of the last thread, but it ran out.

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Vapeyvapevape · 08/01/2022 23:24

@prh47bridge Which women are being advised to keep quiet

I was just wondering if the attorneys would have contacted the women who are now speaking out and ask them not to as it may affect any retrials.

Vapeyvapevape · 08/01/2022 23:28

Will the prosecution use the News Night interview as evidence, ? I hope so as it proves PA ,IMO, to be a liar

Don't know about the US but it would have little evidential value in the UK as he was not under caution or under oath

A tv interview was used in the Jodie Arias trial so I wondered if the same could happen with PA.

prh47bridge · 08/01/2022 23:44

[quote Vapeyvapevape]**@prh47bridge* Which women are being advised to keep quiet*

I was just wondering if the attorneys would have contacted the women who are now speaking out and ask them not to as it may affect any retrials.[/quote]
They certainly could be.

prh47bridge · 08/01/2022 23:54

@Vapeyvapevape

Will the prosecution use the News Night interview as evidence, ? I hope so as it proves PA ,IMO, to be a liar

Don't know about the US but it would have little evidential value in the UK as he was not under caution or under oath

A tv interview was used in the Jodie Arias trial so I wondered if the same could happen with PA.

True, but that was a criminal trial in Arizona. This is a civil trial in New York. Rules may be different. But I really don't know. You would need to ask a US lawyer. Sorry.
BlackAlys · 09/01/2022 10:02

@SpaceshiptoMars

They were conditioned to believe it was normal and acceptable for wealthy men to rape them.

I have a horrible feeling the same could be said for GM.

This has crossed my mind as well. I've listened to John Sweeney's podcast series on Hunting Gishlaine and in his final episode, he expressed some sorrow over her tangled life. Her father was a monster - a sadistic sociopathic liar who, despite his wealth and despite giving his children a 'privileged upbringing, would torture, humiliate and beat them as well. Gishlaine was his favourite but his love for her was questionable in the way he paraded her around and dressed her up to escort him on important dinners (think Trump and his obsession with Ivanka).

I'm surprised that her defence didn't focus more on this tbh but I suppose doing so is an admission of guilt?

SerendipityJane · 09/01/2022 10:51

@Vapeyvapevape

Will the prosecution use the News Night interview as evidence, ? I hope so as it proves PA ,IMO, to be a liar

Don't know about the US but it would have little evidential value in the UK as he was not under caution or under oath

A tv interview was used in the Jodie Arias trial so I wondered if the same could happen with PA.

Again, the stellar intelligence of Prince Andrew has outshone us all here.

He's insisted he told the truth in that interview - repeatedly (and against continued advice).

So the optics should be he's quite happy to have it used in his defence in a court of law.

It would be very telling if the plaintiff wanted to introduce the interview as evidence, and Prince Andrews team objected. After all, why object to the truth.

This is what you get when you try to fight on two fronts. There's the (US, civil, New York) universe of "reality". And there's the "Hello !" fluffy kittens oh-my-god-have-you- seen -what-Kates-wearing universe of the Monarchy and their sycophantic hangers on.

In the past, abetted by an insular press and compliant legal system, it's been possible to hold those two worlds apart.

And, to borrow a phrase, in the court of public opinion it matters not one jot for the legal nuances that might apply here.

Of course everyone is presuming the plaintiff might want to introduce the interview. It might be the reverse. The Princes team press to have it introduced as evidence, with the plaintiff and court saying "that's very kind, but it's only so much trash, and it's not like we can trust you ..."

Pondering the history here, I wonder if the Royal high jinks are kept to a fairly small coterie of sycophants, with the rest of the "regular" (fete openings etc) royal machinery blissfully unaware ? And we've got to this stage because way back when someone who didn't know "the background" ignored or failed to pass on a communication that should have been dealt with by a "specialist" department before it got this far ????????????????????????????????????????????????????

PlanktonsComputerWife · 09/01/2022 10:53

In the past, abetted by an insular press and compliant legal system, it's been possible to hold those two worlds apart.

So well-expressed.

SerendipityJane · 09/01/2022 11:08

... and settling down to this weeks Eye I see that Andrew Neill, late of GB News, is going to sue Jennifer Acuri "in US and UK" courts over discussions as to how his details happened to be in Epsteins black book.

We're gonna need a bigger thread.

www.private-eye.co.uk/issue-1564/media-news

DOING his best impression of a cat-stroking Bond villain, former TV presenter Andrew Neill took to Twitter on 29 December to inform Boris Johnson's former mistress Jennifer Arcuri that "it's time… My legal team has prepared a massive case against you and we'll be seeking exemplary damages. Papers will be served in UK and US. I know you've been keeping your location private. But tell me, what's it like in Panama City, Florida this time of year?"
Neill first threatened Arcuri with legal action at the start of December, over a tweet which he says implied his association with Jeffrey Epstein extended beyond attending a few social engagements organised by the recently convicted Ghislaine Maxwell.

By way of "evidence", Arcuri had posted pages from Epstein's much-reproduced "black book" showing Neill's contact details, and a photograph that might be familiar to Private Eye readers (it depicts a casually clad Neill embracing make-up artist Sajata Robinson, who was in her mid-30s when it was taken on a beach in Barbados in 1995). Brillo announced on 7 December: "Legal action started at 9pm last night. First against her, then everybody who repeated the slander on Twitter."

Roussette · 09/01/2022 11:25

And we've got to this stage because way back when someone who didn't know "the background" ignored or failed to pass on a communication that should have been dealt with by a "specialist" department before it got this far

^^This by the bucketload. I just think it's a mixture of complacency in that 'no one can touch us' and feeling untouchable by both PA and his aides.

How on earth has it got to this. I am reading that VG may well be offered $5M by PA but will turn it down.

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Roussette · 09/01/2022 11:25

Oh dear. Repeating myself there!

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PlanktonsComputerWife · 09/01/2022 11:42

Re: Andrew Neill, the funniest part is his own sage words about the foolishness of waging libel suits.
www.private-eye.co.uk/media-news

Entertaining as the prospect of a legal battle between two of Twitter's biggest barmpots might be, Neill might take heed of the words of a high-profile media figure who found himself engaged in an infamous libel battle over implications he led a sleazy sex life 30 years ago.
"The lawyers assured me I had a very strong case," he fretted a few years later. "They were right: I had. But it was still a big mistake… The court proceedings brought it back on to the front page. The original story had caused much mirth and sniggering at my expense among my many Fleet Street enemies; the trial gave them front row seats at the sequel. The problem with libel cases is that anything, no matter how extraneous to the dispute, can be brought to bear on the case. It gave me a chance to refute most of the nonsense that had been written but it also meant it was all repeated in the press the next day...

"In retrospect, it was crazy to risk financial ruin and professional humiliation on the throw of the dice – the outcome of modern libel cases is as much a gamble as the spin of a roulette wheel. Looking back, I'm not sure that either of us won… Faced with the prospect again I would probably decide it was not worth the candle: a reputation is important to preserve but if the libel process results in it being further besmirched, even when you win, then it can be self-defeating to resort to the courts."

The author of these wise words? One Andrew Neill, recalling in his 1996 memoir Full Disclosure the libel battle he fought against fellow Sunday paper editor Peregrine Worsthorne over an article about his relationship with Pamella Bordes, later revealed to be a prostitute, in which Worsthorne dubbed him "Randy Andy".

So many Randy Andies about...

PlanktonsComputerWife · 09/01/2022 11:43

Hislop gets up my nose a lot, but I do think Private Eye are on the side of the angels when they go after these ridiculous hypocrites. Bravo to them.

Vapeyvapevape · 09/01/2022 11:47

Yes I agree, the arrogance that they think they can do whatever they like, they also seem to be really badly advised, or they just ignore advice .

Vapeyvapevape · 09/01/2022 11:54

Didn't the Queen mother owe millions when she died ? How was this allowed?

SerendipityJane · 09/01/2022 11:55

@PlanktonsComputerWife

Hislop gets up my nose a lot, but I do think Private Eye are on the side of the angels when they go after these ridiculous hypocrites. Bravo to them.
Their "Court Circular" is highly informative. Doesn't paint Her Madge in a good light at all.

In fact anyone who's followed these Royal parasites for more than a wedding will know exactly how the operate. And it ain't for the good of us.

One thing Meghan and Harry have done - without a shadow of a doubt - is to break that "oh, but they can't answer back" bullshot the Royal Family surrounded themselves with for generations. Because now they can - in fact they have to.

And so far, we ain't liking the answers.

If the Royal Family are prepared to go to court now, then they will be given plenty to go to court about.

SerendipityJane · 09/01/2022 11:58

@Vapeyvapevape

Didn't the Queen mother owe millions when she died ? How was this allowed?
I suspect there was some sort of unwritten convention about suing the Royals for debts ? Also having their fizzog on your product might be worth the risk of a few unpaid bills.

Watch Fawlty Towers "A Touch Of Class" to see how dooally some people go around perceived class. The Royals pull that off in spades.

Who remembers the circus around that butler that was prosecuted for theft ?

prh47bridge · 09/01/2022 12:30

@Vapeyvapevape

Didn't the Queen mother owe millions when she died ? How was this allowed?
The Daily Mail claimed that she had debts of £7M when she died. Since her estate was worth about £70M, she did not die bankrupt. So she left more than enough to cover her debts. If we believe the article (big if considering it is the Mail), her staff allowed her accounts to get into a mess later in life.
NiceShrubbery · 09/01/2022 12:43

So she left more than enough to cover her debts

That's all right then 🙂. Paving the way for the beloved grandson to rack up some more.

RoyalFamilyFan · 09/01/2022 14:51

Having debts when you have money to pay it is awful. This bankrupts small firms.

SerendipityJane · 09/01/2022 14:53

@RoyalFamilyFan

Having debts when you have money to pay it is awful. This bankrupts small firms.
It's been the way of the royals since way back when.
Vapeyvapevape · 09/01/2022 14:55

They must have shit accounts.

Vapeyvapevape · 09/01/2022 14:56

*accountants

BIWI · 09/01/2022 14:58

... or good accountants, depending on your POV!

Dying with debts means she was using other people's money rather than her own Grin

prh47bridge · 09/01/2022 15:05

@RoyalFamilyFan

Having debts when you have money to pay it is awful. This bankrupts small firms.
The Mail does not seem to have claimed the debts were overdue.
NiceShrubbery · 09/01/2022 15:13

@BIWI

... or good accountants, depending on your POV!

Dying with debts means she was using other people's money rather than her own Grin

Why break the habit of a lifetime.

So are the RF going to cast PA adrift to repent of his sins, or will he get another poncey hat and cloak to keep Tony company on the parade?

Nailbiting stuff.