Prince Andrew Thread 2

[Roussette]

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/4442126-Prince-Andrew

Here is previous thread.

I've started a new thread because today and tomorrow is crucial as far as the pending civil case.

And I also had a few comments I wanted to say to posters at the end of the last thread, but it ran out.

What? Why is it a nasty comment?

We need the NHS. We don't technically need the royal family. How you can liken the NHS, armed forces and disabled people who are unable to work... to the hugely privileged paid by the taxpayer royal family, god alone knows.
I have massive respect for the NHS, armed forces etc... do I have to add the Royal Family into who I respect too? I would not dream of yelling anything at anyone who are in those reputable and necessary professions. I wouldn't be yelling at the royal family either!
However, I am quite entitled to a view on them.

I find your comment unpleasant to be honest.

I think anyone is entitled to being a bit to a deaf when the mother of your grandchildren has died suddenly.

There was tone deafness on both sides.

‘Being a bit tone deaf’.

Sorry..my comment was to Paquerette

Not necessarily meaning to defend the Queen, but in her defence (!) Diana was her ex-DIL who went on national TV and gave her son and family a complete hammering. She would also be privy to a lot of the goings on with Diana so probably felt a lot of negativity towards her and would only be worrying about her grandsons and not making some great gesture to an ex member of her family.

I get that went against the narrative of the nation and how people felt about Diana but she was entitled to not like her nor feel kindly towards her as she knew the real person whereas the rest of us only knew the saint that people turned her into.

I think the Queen was correct in trying to look after W and H when their mother died , her priority was not to come and console the public. But that was a completely different kettle of fish to what's happening with PA at the moment.

@merrymouse

I think anyone is entitled to being a bit to a deaf when the mother of your grandchildren has died suddenly.

There was tone deafness on both sides.

And so we enter the heads-we-win/tails-you-lose world of Monarchy. Where they are "normal people" when it suits them. And when we have to bow and scrape and accommodate them when it suits them too.

Maybe they should pick a fucking side and stick to it ?

Why the fuck are we planning on pissing millions away on an ordinary family ?

I think what's telling is the queen doesn't countenance behaviour from incomers that might be a threat to the reputation of the crown such as Diana, Sarah and Meghan (and even Sophie with the fake shirk stuff) but royal blood is treated slightly differently. Charles with Camilla, Andrew with paedophiles etc.

And while I agreed with the queen's decision to stay away from London when Diana died , it still shows how out of touch she was with how the public felt about Diana.

@Malariahilaria exactly, her own blood can do no wrong.

I remember Charles telling Diana off for mucking about with Fergie on the ski slopes , because it was 'unbecoming' behaviour for a royal. I wonder if PA has had a telling off from him.

serendipity I actually agree with you.

However, I have sympathy for any human in that situation.

he'll be kept as far out of the limelight as possible and will have no role other than to stand there

I can't believe that wasn't the intention at PP's funeral and yet there he was wheeling himself onto Auntie's stage and being allowed to pontificate about the nation's Grandfather.

Comments from readers are very condemning of PA

You only have to read some of the comments not only on this thread but on pretty much any royal thread to realise there's a sizeable number of people who either can't or won't evaluate what comes to light in ever increasing detail in any rational way. Presumably still blinded by the magic.

@Vapeyvapevape

I was going to mention Diana's death and the Queen not coming to London (although I did agree with her on this as her priority was shielding W and H ) but she quite clearly isn't in touch/ doesn't care about what her subjects think.

So which is it? Was she right to shield her grandsons, or should she have left them and come to London?

Or maybe she simply can't win with some people.

You only have to read some of the comments not only on this thread but on pretty much any royal thread to realise there's a sizeable number of people who either can't or won't evaluate what comes to light in ever increasing detail in any rational way. Presumably still blinded by the magic. In other words there are a lot of stupid posters on MN.

@Vapeyvapevape

And while I agreed with the queen's decision to stay away from London when Diana died , it still shows how out of touch she was with how the public felt about Diana.

Actually I think it showed the reverse: how out of touch the public were with what "Monarchy" is. Imagine having the sheer brass neck to think Her Majesty gives - or ever gave - a fuck what you and I think.

Imagine the Crown Prince of Saudi Arabia being told that Newcastle Fans are upset over anything. That's monarchy pure and simple.

She isn't "our" Queen. We are her subjects. And don't bloody forget it.

The public’s behaviour after Diana’s death was frankly embarrassing and the Queen was the only reasonable one.

Or maybe she simply can't win with some people

I'm torn about it. It's not about 'she simply can't win'.
I felt uncomfortable about the public demanding she come back to London, but part of me understands the public wanted the Queen to show she cared as much as they did.
As I say, I am in two minds about it. I was at the time too

I think she should have stayed away and looked after the Princes and in this instance , I agree , was in a no win situation .

@merrymouse

serendipity I actually agree with you.

However, I have sympathy for any human in that situation.

The answer then is so simply a 5 year old could work it out.

Which speaks volumes about the intellectual capabilities of the royal family and their hangerson.

The public’s behaviour after Diana’s death was frankly embarrassing and the Queen was the only reasonable one.

Not only excruciatingly embarrassing but also did lasting damage.

@BIWI some watery tart 🤣🤣

I agree @Rousette, the wailing public demanding the queen come back and wail with them was a very odd phase in history. Queen Victoria pretty much went into hiding for years when Albert died and the public weren't allowed an opinion about it at all. Must be very strange for the current royals having to test the waters of public opinion like a politician. Not what they were raised to expect. I think modern SM, media and the 24 hour news cycle has confounded them.

@BIWI

Nice one!!!