Meghan Markle ANL court appeal. Thread 2.

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For those that are interested - I know I am.

Does anyone know when the appeal judgement will be made.

@rubicscubicle

They are not whistle blowers, because they are not showing any evidence for anything. Just leaking an allegation that has not even been proven.

Who else provided it, since it was from Knauf. And who got fired for leaking. No one. Documents don't just fly out of the palace on their own.

Tell me you know nothing about how the Public Interest Disclosures Act works without telling me…

(Honestly, Rubicscubicle, maybe inform yourself a bit more before making such silly assertions?)

Yawn, with the goady posts when you don't have an answer @Serenster

@Aspiringmatriarch my take would be that given that Meghan was unhappy about Scobie tweeting that she had a personal stylist and wanted him to correct that (as shown in the emails) I can’t imagine she would allow other made up details to appear in the book 🤷‍♀️

@BananaPB

Apparently they asked for both verses of God Save The Queen

This bit for instance -

". O Lord, our God, arise, Scatter thine enemies, And make them fall Confound their politics, Frustrate their knavish tricks,"

Will have gone down well with a foreign audience

I think having your friend publicly demoted to the role of 'the help', does not sit well.

I can't remember the last time I heard the second verse, looking at sporting events with people struggling to sing the first verse I don't think I'm alone.

Oh not the anthem again.

There was a British flag put up on stage. Some of the vets in America are actually British, USA is not our enemy.

[quote rubicscubicle]As for Knauf himself, back beginning of 2019, he sent his bullying accusations letter to The Times. These were official documents with work related subject. Since he was never fired on the spot, we can only assume he has been sent by William (his boss) to send these communications to MM.

Quite underhanded, because he would have known MM's own emails have been deleted.

The taking down of his brother's wife reminded me of the time a reporter on GMB said the palace did something to H&M that they find unforgivable, and we will later see. He could not discuss for legal reasons.

From 5 minutes.

[/quote] Considering that Harry and Meghan seem to think that being told the word to be unforgivable, I'll be taking the royal reporter's comment with a pinch of salt.

What is unforgivable is trashing your family in a tv interview aired whilst your Grandfather is on his death bed.

• the word NO to be unforgivable.

@rubicscubicle

Yawn, with the goady posts when you don't have an answer *@Serenster*

The answer is that you are flat out wrong though, Rubicubicle, though obviously you will never acknowledge it.

Whistleblowing legislation applies to this situation, and so whomever was the Times’ source is protected. You only have to provide information that you reasonably believe shows some wrongdoing (like, the Palace completely ignoring employment law, for example…) to be protected. Allegations without evidence are fine.

If you don’t think this is how it works in practice, go and ask Jes Staley, Barclay’s former CEO, who was fined hundreds of thousand of pounds and nearly lost his job just for trying to discover the identity of someone who blew the whistle on him.

And no, there is absolutely no way any of us know who was the source who gave the Times that email. You are determined o discredit Jason Knauf, that’s obvious, but there were several other people who could have given to him, so your speculation is unprovable.

I would also be surprised if the next royal tour is in America. I think there are more worthy destinations in the Commonwealth that would benefit from a visit from their future head of state

Good luck with that, since Charles seems to prioritise the Gulf where he can strut around their "Club of Kings" and collect money for his many, often badly run and sometimes even bankrupt charities. (Recommendation here for Tom Bower's Rebel Prince, which contains a lot of well-linked detail)

@PickupaPenguin8 what insinuations? I haven't read it so maybe there's something I hadn't heard about. In any case wouldn't they then be suing on behalf of someone else - how does that even work?

given that Meghan was unhappy about Scobie tweeting that she had a personal stylist and wanted him to correct that (as shown in the emails) I can’t imagine she would allow other made up details to appear in the book

That doesn't necessarily mean it's worth suing over. There must be absolutely reams of inaccurate stories and speculation about them at this point. Suing is stressful and expensive. Insisting they would have sued over Finding Freedom is just another example of that IMO.

[quote Aspiringmatriarch]@PickupaPenguin8 what insinuations? I haven't read it so maybe there's something I hadn't heard about. In any case wouldn't they then be suing on behalf of someone else - how does that even work?[/quote]
Read it and the. You can make a judgement.

[quote Roussette]@PickupaPenguin8

I read the script in full. More than once. I've already said that. You can glean more from the written word. And there was no escaping it on news etc, so I saw bits.
But I know exactly what was said[/quote]
I actually think a lot is in the body language and expressions. Also the demeanour of OW and the way she responds and asks questions.

@Aspiringmatriarch

The thing with Finding Freedom and all these details in it that supposedly could only have come directly from Harry and Meghan or close friends, is that they've never endorsed the book in any way. So all those private moments and peeing in bushes etc could be completely fabricated, surely?

Diana never endorsed Andrew Mortens book and she denied any involvement with it and we now know that she wrote it. We now know that before leaving the RF, Meghan did give the DF authors information she wanted published, hence she wrote in the third person. Who knows what information she passed onto them after she left.

I actually think a lot is in the body language and expressions. Also the demeanour of OW and the way she responds and asks questions

Have you read it? Obviously not.

And if I had any queries or wondered what the body language was like, I could always go and look, couldn't I?
The meat of it was endlessly on the telly and online, it was hard to avoid. Personally I prefer to read the written word and examine it like that.
Everyone's different you know

@Roussette. No, you cannot ‘glean’ more from the written word. That’s not true, seeing body language and demeanour is important.

Your opinion Tills your opinion.
You can miss a lot by not seeing dialogue too. You can read and re-read to understand.

And the important bits as far as body language I saw. There was no getting away from it online and telly.

PickupaPenguin8

I actually think a lot is in the body language and expressions. Also the demeanour of OW and the way she responds and asks questions.

I think that's a very fair point (disclaimer: I didn't see it and haven't read the full transcript; seen plenty of clips and quotes though).
For example, when it was asserted that MM's car keys and passport were taken away, OW might have clutched her chest and looked horrified (subtext: "OMG! You were like a prisoner!") or tilted her head and raised an enquiring eyebrow (subtext "Really? Tell me more. Why did they do that?").

As an aside, I doubt she'd have to ask for her car keys to go out as was implied ages ago.
I assume the royals are in the habit of telling staff they're going out in ten minutes so please bring the car round to the front.
I don't imagine them schlepping off to the carpark themselves. More having a sort of luxe form of valet parking.
And no, I don't know obviously. But it doesn't seem unlikely.

It takes me ages to write and preview a post so hadn't read the more recent posts on body language vs transcripts after Penguin's post.

I'm not trying to start an argument and probably wouldn't have bothered posting if I'd read them.

I actually think a lot is in the body language and expressions

On balance I agree; for me, the transcript comes into its own when folk start claiming the interviewee said something they didn't

Also the demeanour of OW and the way she responds and asks questions

Well yes, but frankly I've seen better acting in fourth form plays
A worthwhile interview would have included some incisive questioning and resisted the doctored headlines in the background, but this one seemed to me more a piece of flannel, scripted to suit the subject and the ratings/income of the host

Not that Oprah's alone in that; I sometimes despair over the almost total lack of proper interviewers around, but then celebs probably wouldn't subject themselves to decent ones

'William and Kate are going to the US on an official visit next year and ever if they’ve had a falling out I’d guess they’ll see H&M while there.'

If I were them I'd make a point of it, take control and visit them instead of awaiting H gracing everyone with his presence in The Triggering UK. Pretend none of the appalling unsubstantiated claims had been made, lead by example and rise above all the Sussexes oversharing crap.

I'd go and make a big show of smiles and royal waves, while H no doubt would fester and glower in the corner.

As I said... I saw the colour of baby Archie bit, and the bit about the Press and its relationship with the RF, because I'm interested in that. And I went off to check what he actually said about that. And I checked other bits Meghan had said too.

However, I didn't sit down on that Sunday night or whenever it was and watch the whole thing through.

Not that Oprah's alone in that; I sometimes despair over the almost total lack of proper interviewers around

I like Emily Maitlis . She's very good at not saying much and allowing the interviewee to dig a very big hole for themselves!

@JaniieJones

'William and Kate are going to the US on an official visit next year and ever if they’ve had a falling out I’d guess they’ll see H&M while there.'

If I were them I'd make a point of it, take control and visit them instead of awaiting H gracing everyone with his presence in The Triggering UK. Pretend none of the appalling unsubstantiated claims had been made, lead by example and rise above all the Sussexes oversharing crap.

I'd go and make a big show of smiles and royal waves, while H no doubt would fester and glower in the corner.

Yes I agree. However it would take huge amounts of humility and the soul of a Saint.