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Meghan court case live today

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callmeadoctor · 09/11/2021 12:57

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Serenster · 13/11/2021 13:45

Actually I’ve realised that list of travel (which came from Page Six) isn’t complete either, as Meghan and Harry travelled to Amsterdam for the opening of Soho House there. Various guests, including Giles Coren, tweeted about chatting to them there. So, at least 10 trips that we know of.

EdithWeston · 13/11/2021 13:45

And you can apply the same logic for anti Meghan people too

Agree

But you can't fairly apply it to the many, many posters on this thread who are neither one nor the other.

Serenster · 13/11/2021 13:46

Why are you so sure they were always a nightmare?

Well, Meghan’s notes to Jason Knauf to be passed onto the Finding Freedom authors seems a pretty good place to start…

Puzzledandpissedoff · 13/11/2021 13:49

For anyone who feels the letter Meghan wrote was cynical, how would you suggest dealing with emotional abuse from a close family member conducted via the tabloids?

By keeping my head down and refusing to feed it - or at least, if I was going to say anything, making absolutely sure I couldn't be tripped up on it

A parallel thing actually happened to me, relating to some community work I was involved with, and apart from proving the truth to a few key players and the police I kept completely schtum. The outcome, after the inital excitement, was that wiser minds were waiting in the wings to ask questions and it wasn't me who ended up with egg all over my face and having to print an apology

Since the Markles have never seemed a particularly pleasant family and anyone can see the royals play dirty, the same could have happened to Meghan - but instead she's gone off like a rocket, told lies and will now pay the price

RoseAndRose · 13/11/2021 13:55

@Serenster

Why are you so sure they were always a nightmare?

Well, Meghan’s notes to Jason Knauf to be passed onto the Finding Freedom authors seems a pretty good place to start…

I don't know if she even wrote about other family members in The Tig

But we have the evidence of her own words (pre-Harry) about her father, which show him as the total opposite of a nightmare

thetigarchives.tumblr.com/post/185842357490

We don't know what happened in the couple of years following that affectionate post

PickupaPenguin8 · 13/11/2021 13:56

She also has cousins, Uncles and aunts on both sides. None were invited. Her divorced parents were expected to rock up just before the wedding and be part of a massive spectacle on national TV and meet the RF. Her father never having even met the proposed son in law.

rubicscubicle · 13/11/2021 14:09

And were this people present at the previous wedding. Because the only people I saw were her mum and dad.

TM was supposed to come much earlier, so even though he had not seen Harry, this was his time to meet him.

SickAndTiredAgain · 13/11/2021 14:18

And to repeat myself: for anyone who feels the letter Meghan wrote was cynical, how would you suggest dealing with emotional abuse from a close family member conducted via the tabloids?

Cynical or not, I think the best thing to do would have been to ignore him completely. Although I appreciate that wouldn’t have been the easiest thing to do.

PickupaPenguin8 · 13/11/2021 14:24

@SickAndTiredAgain

And to repeat myself: for anyone who feels the letter Meghan wrote was cynical, how would you suggest dealing with emotional abuse from a close family member conducted via the tabloids?

Cynical or not, I think the best thing to do would have been to ignore him completely. Although I appreciate that wouldn’t have been the easiest thing to do.

Why would anyone want to conduct a relationship with their father through the tabloids? This is what M and H were so angry about him doing in the first place!! She could have met him to discuss it personally or just ignored him.
PickupaPenguin8 · 13/11/2021 14:25

@rubicscubicle

And were this people present at the previous wedding. Because the only people I saw were her mum and dad.

TM was supposed to come much earlier, so even though he had not seen Harry, this was his time to meet him.

My memory was that he was due to arrive a few days beforehand. I remember reading that he would be having tea with the RF. a very scary prospect for anyone. Let alone someone who was not in good health, hadn’t met his son in law and was a recluse from a different country.
Skiptheheartsandflowers · 13/11/2021 14:33

And were this people present at the previous wedding. Because the only people I saw were her mum and dad.

So you shouldn't invite family members to your second wedding if you didn't invite them to your first? Even if your first was a destination wedding and you're now having a massive bash, which includes some guests you've never actually met at all?

rubicscubicle · 13/11/2021 14:38

My memory was that he was due to arrive a few days beforehand. I remember reading that he would be having tea with the RF. a very scary prospect for anyone. Let alone someone who was not in good health, hadn’t met his son in law and was a recluse from a different country.

I'm sure MM would have understood if he says he would not want to make the tea, but is happy to do the fitting, spend time with her, meet harry and do the walking down the isle. Even if he said he was nervous about the walk, and would instead prefer to sit on the sidelines, I'm sure this would have been acceptable (though the way he likes publicity, I imagine he would have wanted to be part of that history of being pictured walking her down the isle, if he came)

From the looks of it, his eyes had the dollar signs from the media offers too sell her out at this point, and the whisperings of Samantha to convince him.

SpidersAreShitheads · 13/11/2021 14:38

@EdithWeston

And you can apply the same logic for anti Meghan people too

Agree

But you can't fairly apply it to the many, many posters on this thread who are neither one nor the other.

I'm not a Meghan fan. I didn't have any issues with her at the start, she seemed nice enough - it was good to see Harry in love. All the privilege in the world doesn't make up for losing your mum so young, and in such awful circumstances and everyone deserves to be happy.

But her/their inconsistencies, lies and willingness to use the media to trash their family, while simultaneously complaining about the damage the media does to them.......no, I'm not a fan at all. I am deeply opposed to their hypocrisy and I don't like people who twist the truth to suit their own agenda.

But despite all of that, I do question myself. I have regularly asked myself if I've been fair. I've wondered whether I've been taken in by unfair comments in the media. I've questioned whether some of the behaviours that I find unpalatable are just a difference in UK/US culture.

I can also acknowledge that there must have been things which were really awful for Meghan. No matter how much she idolised the royal family from afar as a teen, the reality of it must have been a shock and difficult to get used to. She comes from the hard-nosed world of entertainment so understanding the subtleties of British diplomacy would have been a huge change, and unintended faux pas would have been inevitable. She was in a strange country and away from her mum. Most of her family seem trashy and awful.

Yes, I dislike the lies, attention-seeking and manipulation. I think the court case is revealing the extent to which Meghan is willing to lie to suit her own agenda. The fact she wanted to publicly humiliate her sister by talking about how many dads her children have, and her loss of custody - while simultaneously failing to mention her sister has MS - shows that she is willing to be misogynistic and vicious to win at any cost. Her self-created role as a champion of women is at direct odds with her behaviour. She's deliberately lied to the court - if this was anyone else, they'd be in deep trouble. But I can still see that some things have been really difficult for her, and the adjustment must have been hard.

These two things can co-exist. My opinion of Meghan is poor but I can also recognise that some things have been really shit for her. I can recognise that some things I don't like about her are just cultural differences. I think she genuinely does care about making a difference, and I think she genuinely wants to help causes which are close to her heart. But I also think she's self-interested, manipulative and spiteful.

I get frustrated with anyone on either side of the argument who insists that there are no nuances, and that the other side is absolutely wrong in every single way. And that's what I mean about there being no point talking to people like that. I do think it's important to be fair, whatever your viewpoint is.

rubicscubicle · 13/11/2021 14:40

@Skiptheheartsandflowers

And were this people present at the previous wedding. Because the only people I saw were her mum and dad.

So you shouldn't invite family members to your second wedding if you didn't invite them to your first? Even if your first was a destination wedding and you're now having a massive bash, which includes some guests you've never actually met at all?

This was also a destination wedding, since it's not in the US.
SickAndTiredAgain · 13/11/2021 14:40

@Skiptheheartsandflowers

And were this people present at the previous wedding. Because the only people I saw were her mum and dad.

So you shouldn't invite family members to your second wedding if you didn't invite them to your first? Even if your first was a destination wedding and you're now having a massive bash, which includes some guests you've never actually met at all?

For her family, the second wedding was even more a destination wedding though.
SickAndTiredAgain · 13/11/2021 14:43

Cross post with @rubicscubicle, which isn’t something I thought I’d say at the start of the thread Grin

Serenster · 13/11/2021 14:44

From the looks of it, his eyes had the dollar signs from the media offers too sell her out at this point, and the whisperings of Samantha to convince him

Except he hadn’t approached the press,, and he had known for ages that she was dating Prince Harry. He had not been seeking any press at all until that infamous photo shoot immediately prior to the wedding. And he didn’t release her letter to the press as she feared. He sat on it for months until the five friends went to People and baited him by telling the world she’d sent him a loving missive.

She obviously feared the worst about him, but some of it may not have been justified.

rubicscubicle · 13/11/2021 14:47

He was paid for the fitting pictures. He was probably in talks about how much more money he was going to make. All of this was shortly before the wedding. Most likely Samatha gave him the breakdown of how much he could make out of Meghan.

Roussette · 13/11/2021 14:48

On the one hand you have a single comment from Harry and on the other, the revolting behaviour of Thomas and Samantha and I believe another member of the Markle clan as well. How you could even compare the two is just beyond me

I agree @Aspiringmatriarch

This is how Meghan's brother/half brother introduced himself outside the Big Brother house in Australia.

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Meghan Markle has a difficult relationship with her family, something that plagued her years as a royal.

The Markles as a whole have created a lot of drama around the Duchess of Sussex, from estranged nephew Tyler Dooley naming his cannabis business after her to her father Thomas Markle continuously engaging with the press, despite Meghan’s reported pleas for him not to. And let’s not forget Meghan’s half sister Samantha Grant (now going by Markle) who turned up to Kensington Palace with a camera crew to surprise the Duchess and released her tell-all book, The Diary of Princess Pushy’s Sister Part 1, on Meghan’s due date.

This week however, it was a different relative, Meghan’s estranged half-brother Thomas Markle Jr., who made headlines as he entered the Australian Big Brother House.

‘I’m Meghan Markle’s brother, I’m the biggest brother of them all,’ he announced as he entered the Big Brother House. ‘I told Prince Harry, I think she’s going to ruin your life. She’s very shallow’

Revolting. That's what her family are like. Making a buck on the back of her.
And to repeat myself: for anyone who feels the letter Meghan wrote was cynical, how would you suggest dealing with emotional abuse from a close family member conducted via the tabloids?

Exactly. See above.

As for MM wanting to be POTUS ....what? The only place I have seen that mooted is on MN. Nowhere else at all. And I read a lot.
It's just a convenient way to open up criticism of her.

madisonbridges · 13/11/2021 14:49

Isn't a destination wedding when both participants go overseas to get married? If I was living in Italy, and marrying an Italian, that wouldn't be a destination wedding. My parents would just be travelling abroad to attend a wedding.

Roussette · 13/11/2021 14:50

Oh flippin' heck... it copied the whole article!

This is what he said...

‘I’m Meghan Markle’s brother, I’m the biggest brother of them all,’ he announced as he entered the Big Brother House. ‘I told Prince Harry, I think she’s going to ruin your life. She’s very shallow’

What a lovely way to introduce yourself. Hmm

madisonbridges · 13/11/2021 14:51

Considering Thomas Markle was only invited on to Big Brother because he was MM's brother, it would be expected that he'd mention it.

madisonbridges · 13/11/2021 14:53

As for MM wanting to be POTUS ....what? The only place I have seen that mooted is on MN. Nowhere else at all. And I read a lot.

It's all over the UK and US press. Not saying its true, though.

peepholepringle · 13/11/2021 14:53

I'm really not sure why this is such big news to people. Liar caught out in another lie!

It's baffling how people can try to deflect on that when MM herself has admit that she did not tell the truth in this case. Sorry, I mean "forgot".

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