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Meghan court case live today

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callmeadoctor · 09/11/2021 12:57

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MissMarpleRocks · 13/11/2021 09:07

@smilesy

Maybe she just forgot she authorised her friends to talk to People Magazine, easily done,

🤣

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Puzzledandpissedoff · 13/11/2021 09:08

Not a Meghan fan at all but I will say the tone of her emails is perfectly friendly and professional

I agree, but then at the time she was clearly trying to control the narrative and no doubt hoping things would go her way

I don't know if any emails after she hasn't got her way have ever become public, but it would be interesting to see them all the same

Thisbastardcomputer · 13/11/2021 09:20

@EdithWeston

I thought she was brilliant when she first came on the scene.

As did the thousands who lined the streets, and noted with pleasure the major signs of welcome extended to her (first unmarried to Sandringham for Christmas, solo visits with HMQ much earlier than others who married in, early major patronage when she was given the National Theatre etc)

Please do not assume that those who comment on what is happening now have been poisonous since the off. It's inaccurate and, to use a sporting metaphor, it's playing the man not the ball

This is a brilliant summary. @TaliaB1 calm down and stop making it something it's not.
rubicscubicle · 13/11/2021 09:24

The Markles were not a nuisance though before Meghan was with Harry. So I don't see what could have been anticipated.

They had no issues with MM earning a lot of money on suits, they did not bother her producer husband, nor the celebrity chef.

They have clearly been manipulated by the press when she got with Harry, and Samantha went to the trouble of changing her name back to Markle.

All this time, TM was saying mean things about his daughter, but not about the RF, all Charles seemed to care about was just shut it down. There is no indication they wanted to help, and concern like saying, do you need help, shall we send a mediator. All they do is berate.

SallyLockheart · 13/11/2021 09:27

Rubics. The telegraph is reporting that the RF offered to send an aide to see Thomas in person as a first step and M&H declined the offer.

Tillsforthrills · 13/11/2021 09:32

@EdithWeston

I agree and found myself in the exact same situation, but that doesn’t fit into the narrative of a few on here. MM could have done so much good in her royal position.

PickupaPenguin8 · 13/11/2021 09:35

@rubicscubicle

The Markles were not a nuisance though before Meghan was with Harry. So I don't see what could have been anticipated. They had no issues with MM earning a lot of money on suits, they did not bother her producer husband, nor the celebrity chef.

They have clearly been manipulated by the press when she got with Harry, and Samantha went to the trouble of changing her name back to Markle.

All this time, TM was saying mean things about his daughter, but not about the RF, all Charles seemed to care about was just shut it down. There is no indication they wanted to help, and concern like saying, do you need help, shall we send a mediator. All they do is berate.

You don’t know what went on between them. They didn’t know TM and neither did Harry. Any family in that position would have been embarrassed and want the situation resolved.
Puzzledandpissedoff · 13/11/2021 09:35

The Markles were not a nuisance though before Meghan was with Harry

I wonder if it seems that way because there wasn't such a spotlight on them before?
None of us know every detail of what's gone on behind the scenes, and while it's true Meghan seemed keen on her dad until Harry came along we can't know about the wider family

We've also seen that truth isn't always an essential part of Meghan's narrative, so who knows what the real motive was for their absence from the wedding?

rubicscubicle · 13/11/2021 09:36

@SallyLockheart

Rubics. The telegraph is reporting that the RF offered to send an aide to see Thomas in person as a first step and M&H declined the offer.
It was not the RF who offered it was H&M. And it was TM who refused. Its all in the txt from the case1.
Gwrach · 13/11/2021 09:38

I think Harry is learning what life is like without the help of the palace to control the media. He's had many a gaff covered up by them, and I suppose he just thought this would continue.

It's no surprise that two people who rushed in to marriage with a dysfunctional family each side (to different degrees) have ended up repenting in leisure.

It was all too soon, it was all too fast. He was warned about this, but rather than applying the breaks, getting the full picture of the markles and the issues they could cause, they bolted against all advise and got on with it. Surprise surprise it blew up.

I think everyone knew they had helped write finding freedom. Is anyone really shocked by this?!

I wouldn't go as far as to say Meghan is a liar, but I would say she is manipulative and so is Harry because he and his family have manipulated the press for decades. They really are a match made in heaven. Meghan is also a fun of using loaded sentences, and portraying herself as the victim. This irks British society and norms, we after all are known for our stiff upper lip, but the Americans love a victim and get the cotton wool out for them.

But honestly in the grand scheme does all this even matter. Why the British press just won't let them dissapear in to obscurity is beyond me, but then the flip side I think the British press want to expose how manipulative they both are. So this will continue, they issue a statement of manipulation, the press bite back and "uncover the truth".

I think the palace have the right stance, don't complain don't explain. Issue the odd statement "recollections may vary" i.e we know they are telling half truths you do too, but we aren't going to confirm it out right and leave you all to it.

The palace know the press with free reign on them will do the digging and the dirty work, so they get to keep their hands clean.

PickupaPenguin8 · 13/11/2021 09:38

@Gilmorehill

What strikes me is how cynical the letter was. Reading the news today, it seems to me the letter was designed to satisfy the royals M had tried. She involved employees in writing it to get it right. I feel she was aware it would end up in the public domain. She really had no intention of repairing her relationship with her father. It’s very cynical and hard hearted.
Yes that’s my take too.
rubicscubicle · 13/11/2021 09:38

@Puzzledandpissedoff

The Markles were not a nuisance though before Meghan was with Harry

I wonder if it seems that way because there wasn't such a spotlight on them before?
None of us know every detail of what's gone on behind the scenes, and while it's true Meghan seemed keen on her dad until Harry came along we can't know about the wider family

We've also seen that truth isn't always an essential part of Meghan's narrative, so who knows what the real motive was for their absence from the wedding?

Regardless, Samantha did not change her name then. Also TM seemed to have been in good books with MM as she posted about him in the Tig.

There is really no indication of them being a nuisance. Infact, it does not look like they cared much about her existence (the siblings, I mean).

SallyLockheart · 13/11/2021 09:41

Rubics . You have no idea - any more than I do - of what the RF offered. I’m reporting what the telegraph said, you’re reporting Meghan texts and who knows how “truthful” Meghan texts are- we haven’t seen the texts back from Thomas declining the offer, have we?

Puzzledandpissedoff · 13/11/2021 09:41

It was not the RF who offered (to send an aide) it was H&M. And it was TM who refused. Its all in the text from the case1

Looks as if I missed that one, but then there's been so much

Is there actual evidence of Thomas refusing or was it that someone said he did, and is there a link for this please?

rubicscubicle · 13/11/2021 09:44

@SallyLockheart

Rubics . You have no idea - any more than I do - of what the RF offered. I’m reporting what the telegraph said, you’re reporting Meghan texts and who knows how “truthful” Meghan texts are- we haven’t seen the texts back from Thomas declining the offer, have we?
Because he never answered the txts. The txts themselves say so, and there is no dispute from TM, he was ghosting them.

Why you believe the Torygraph over txts presented in court, and no evidence has been shown to dispute them. Infact, even JK who is against MM, is confirming them.

Meghan court case live today
CauliflowerCheese30 · 13/11/2021 09:45

@SallyLockheart

Rubics. The telegraph is reporting that the RF offered to send an aide to see Thomas in person as a first step and M&H declined the offer.
You might want to go and do a little research, Samantha changed her name back to Markle in September 1997.
rubicscubicle · 13/11/2021 09:48

@smilesy

Maybe she just forgot she authorised her friends to talk to People Magazine, easily done,

🤣

Sorry but, why is everyone pretending that there is proof that Meghan told her friends to speak to People. Even that article that was link has no such proof.
SallyLockheart · 13/11/2021 09:48

Those texts show communications between Jason and Meghan re the letter. They don’t prove those texts to her dad took place - just her side of the story. Maybe she forgot she had texts from him and they were auto deleted and she couldn’t find them again 😀

CauliflowerCheese30 · 13/11/2021 09:50

Where is the proof that she didn't? Just because she says so?

rubicscubicle · 13/11/2021 09:50

You might want to go and do a little research, Samantha changed her name back to Markle in September 1997

And she remained, being known by her other last name, did not acknowledge herself as Markle till Harry.

rubicscubicle · 13/11/2021 09:52

@SallyLockheart

Those texts show communications between Jason and Meghan re the letter. They don’t prove those texts to her dad took place - just her side of the story. Maybe she forgot she had texts from him and they were auto deleted and she couldn’t find them again 😀
What you are saying does not make sense and is quite a reach. Why would Jason agree with her if there were answers. Where are the answers, TM would have made sure to run to the papers with them as soon as MM showed her txt in court. They are his copyright, so he would have been in his right.
Viviennemary · 13/11/2021 09:54

My take is this. It became clear to the Markles none of thrm were being invited to the wedding. I would like to know if any invitation was ever written for Thomas Markle. If it was did he receive it. If not why not.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 13/11/2021 09:56

It doesn't say who that text was from, rubics and certainly doesn't mention TM refusing a visit from an aide. There's a claim that he'd switched his phone off, but even here we don't know if that's true or what the timeline was

And if it was Meghan replying, I wonder what the "redrafting of a page" was about, and whether that was to re-send something to TM or perhaps intended to be produced elsewhere?

I don't take anything the Telegraph say on trust though, and certainly not when it's coming from the palace; in fact my first though was that it might be a bit more spin they've dug up

SallyLockheart · 13/11/2021 09:58

MM showed which texts in court? You’re lost me. I don’t think the court case has got as far as Meghan’s texts to her dad. She’s responded to Jason Knauf’s evidence in her statement - she has been trying to argue not to disclose all her communications as that would include communications to her five friends about how they knew about the letter to to her father which they discussed with people magazine

whatnumber · 13/11/2021 10:00

Who keeps texts that long? If MM and 5 friends all have new phones would the courts still be able to get the texts?