Meghan court case live today

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[quote Tillsforthrills]@EdithWeston

I agree and found myself in the exact same situation, but that doesn’t fit into the narrative of a few on here. MM could have done so much good in her royal position.[/quote]
Yes, Edith and Tills. I defended her for so long and then the two of them dished up the immaturity of that OW interview and I lost patience with them, and nothing that has happened since has made me take back my two words "obfuscation" and "disingenuousness".

Where is (Knauf's) 'non disclosure'?

I wondered about that myself, but think someone - it was probably Serenster - explained that the court can overrule an NDA? Obviously there's the aspect of possible palace interference there, but I'm thinking of the principle

Not sure about this "special software" and "begging for the driving licence" though. Again we only have one account for it - a lack of dispute is neutral - and it seems awfully like chucking anything at this in the hope something will prop up the victim narative

She looks around her, she is the only one with the deletion software (from the looks of it, as JK does not have this software). She is the only one who always has to go begging for her passport and documents while everyone around her seems to be driving an ol time.

Have you seen the proof that Meghan and Meghan alone, out of all the Royal Family had this software installed without her wanting it? And it deletes her messages with out her clicking a delete button?

JK is not a member of the Royal Family. Yiu can't compare him and Meghan and what they do and don't have.

And also, she did not ever say she had to beg for her passport. She tried to mislead people by making out having her passport secured was unusual. Its not.

About other RF members and carrying passports/driving licences ... considering they're accompanied by detectives I doubt they'd have to bother themselves and it's probably the staff's job to make sure they're available

After all nobody's going to chuck 'em in jail because a document wasn't produced, and if the staff should forget they can always be sacked

@rubicscubicle imagine if a royal / celebrity/ notable person’s passport, driving licence, keys etc went missing. Yes it is entirely usual that they are kept secure, and for good reason. When required, they will be provided along with all the other necessary travel documents / itinerary etc to the person who will be responsible for them (an assistant/ lady in waiting rather than MM herself). They don’t exact line up to go through passport control - all personnel on the trip will have their documents submitted for them at the Windsor suite at Heathrow and then collect them for safekeeping before dealing with them at the other end.

But I see posters are brushing over the fact that HE IS AN EMPLOYEE OF WILLIAM AND IS ASSISTING THE FECKING RAGS IN TAKING DOWN HIS. BROTHER'S WIFE

No, he is ensuring that the court have all relevant evidence before them before they make decisions that could have significant impacts on the rights and financial situation of others. If the disclosure of this evidence “takes down” someone, that’s not his fault. You are shooting (well, slurring) the messenger here. He’s not the one having to apologise for misleading the court.

@Puzzledandpissedoff

Where is (Knauf's) 'non disclosure'?

I wondered about that myself, but think someone - it was probably Serenster - explained that the court can overrule an NDA? Obviously there's the aspect of possible palace interference there, but I'm thinking of the principle

Not sure about this "special software" and "begging for the driving licence" though. Again we only have one account for it - a lack of dispute is neutral - and it seems awfully like chucking anything at this in the hope something will prop up the victim narative

The is no report at all that any judge overruled the NDA. Infact, it is presented as him having just volunteered this information (after MM won the case last time). I am guessing that the MoS has put some pressure on him to come forward, maybe they did not need to.

MM is more senior than JK, I see absolutely no reason why he would not have the software and MM does.

Even if you travel all the time with work. You give your (usually official) passport to the PA a few days before the trip for visas etc. and you get it back to present at boarding and landing, they may keep it during the trip, but you most definitely get it back at the end of the trip. I just do not think she would mention it if it was a uniform thing done for everyone, that is why I am suspicious.

@Serenster

But I see posters are brushing over the fact that HE IS AN EMPLOYEE OF WILLIAM AND IS ASSISTING THE FECKING RAGS IN TAKING DOWN HIS. BROTHER'S WIFE

No, he is ensuring that the court have all relevant evidence before them before they make decisions that could have significant impacts on the rights and financial situation of others. If the disclosure of this evidence “takes down” someone, that’s not his fault. You are shooting (well, slurring) the messenger here. He’s not the one having to apologise for misleading the court.

So why did he not do this right from the start.

Also, the FF has nothing to do with the case, since it was filed almost a year before FF.

I don't think non disclosure would mean you had to support lies to a court. Or it shouldn't do.

@StormzyinaTCup

TBF though, the point also ignores that Meghan apparently approached Knauf for assistance in preparing the case ... surely an odd thing to do if someone who was felt to be "taking her down"?

I wonder if it was more a case of her asking him to ‘help her’ with her case because he had copies of everything. He can’t use them against her in court if he is ‘on side’.

A technical point, but you would normally avoid producing evidence from someone you think is hostile to you, unless you are absolutely desperate. The main reason for this is that if they are “your” witness, the other side gets to cross examine them and you do not. If you don’t know what they’ll say, and are concerned they may start saying things that scupper your case that’s a huge risk to take.

'So why did he not do this right from the start.'

Maybe he was being professional and discreet and didn't want to get into the Sussexes mudslinging dramas but when he saw their embellishments he had to speak out?

He explained in his witness state why he didn’t get involved from the start, rubicscubicle. He was approached by both sides and stayed neutral, but then as the case developed he regretted this decision.

It can be very difficult seeing someone give an account you know to be untrue - I have been in this situation myself.

@Puzzledandpissedoff

About other RF members and carrying passports/driving licences ... considering they're accompanied by detectives I doubt they'd have to bother themselves and it's probably the staff's job to make sure they're available

After all nobody's going to chuck 'em in jail because a document wasn't produced, and if the staff should forget they can always be sacked

And another thing that is odd, is that MM is an American. Unlike KM, if she wants to go home, she cannot just call her mum to pick her up, she actually needs that passport. Would MM then have to explain herself every time she wanted to go home. So maybe, this could have been a choice left to her if she wants to keep her passport, so she can come and go as she pleases.

There is even a rule here in the UK (though it's in regards with forced labour/ slavery etc.) that says something along the lines that you must not keep your employee's passport.

Very odd.

'Also, the FF has nothing to do with the case'

Nothing to do with the case perhaps but yet another glaring example of the erm, stories they tell. They did not cooperate remember yet we now know they did given Knauf chapter and verse on what to spill. It does what's left of their credibility no good at all.

Yes it is entirely usual that they are kept secure, and for good reason. When required, they will be provided along with all the other necessary travel documents / itinerary etc to the person who will be responsible for them (an assistant/ lady in waiting rather than MM herself).

You could be talking about my role there when I’m at the airport with DH and DC.

Appreciate your insight @Serenster - very interesting👍🏻

MM is more senior than JK, I see absolutely no reason why he would not have the software and MM does.

More senior people do often have different software. That's not unusual. Again MM having something and JK not having it means nothing. You need to compare her to other royals of similar positions in the same time frame.

Even if you travel all the time with work. You give your (usually official) passport to the PA a few days before the trip for visas etc. and you get it back to present at boarding and landing, they may keep it during the trip, but you most definitely get it back at the end of the trip. I just do not think she would mention it if it was a uniform thing done for everyone, that is why I am suspicious.

No I travel for work. IF a visa is required we give the information to the MDs PA. We would always have possession of our passport........because most people are not part of the Royal Family

The Royal Family are not simply employees of a business in the same way you or I would be.

The RF are nor comparable to everyone else.

Mosts of your posts have been outlandish. Some just completely fanciful. But why you keep insisting on try to compare the family to regular people makes no sense.

I just do not think she would mention it if it was a uniform thing done for everyone

I can think of two potential reasons. One, she didn’t know it was done for everyone, and two, she did but left that detail out on purpose.

I can’t think of a reason why palace officials would, if they didn’t do it for anyone else, decide that Meghan must be kept prisoner. What motive is there for this? And if this was the case surely it could be fairly quickly resolved. She mentions to Harry “I was surprised they took my passport, why did they do that”. He says “what?? They took your passport?? That’s not normal”, and then he goes and tells his staff to give it back. I’m assuming it wasn’t the case that this happened and he was refused, because I’m sure she’d have mentioned that. “They took my passport and even when Harry tried to get it back, he couldn’t, that’s how controlled I was.”

As I said, I can totally understand why she wouldn’t want to give them her passport. If I was in that situation I’d have balked at it. I think it’s a reasonable example to bring up to illustrate the sort of life they were living, and how different it is to “normal”. I just don’t think it’s reasonable to assume she was unique in this, and that everyone else had their passport in a drawer somewhere in a palace.

BTW a person with a driving licence from the USA can only drive for 12 months after settling in the UK with that document.
After 12 months they have to take the test just like others. Perhaps that is why she didn't drive?

Mosts of your posts have been outlandish. Some just completely fanciful.

And if we are going down the personal attacks route, your posts have been stupid af.

Would MM then have to explain herself every time she wanted to go home. So maybe, this could have been a choice left to her if she wants to keep her passport, so she can come and go as she pleases.

Well considering she signed up to be a working Royal, I would expect her to have trips based around events she has already committed to.

Can you direct me where Megahn said she had to beg or justify a trip to see her mother?

@rubicscubicle

Mosts of your posts have been outlandish. Some just completely fanciful.

And if we are going down the personal attacks route, your posts have been stupid af.

Yes....stupid and 'outlandish' are exactly the same.

You seem to very upset that people can see the huge holes in your posts. Why is that?

Oh for goodness sake this persistence in presenting her as an employee for the purposes of accessing an HR department or claiming modern slavery! Fanciful. She is the employer. Her staff are the ones holding her passport for security reasons.

@loislovesstewie

BTW a person with a driving licence from the USA can only drive for 12 months after settling in the UK with that document. After 12 months they have to take the test just like others. Perhaps that is why she didn't drive?

Well, I would not know currently. But I was volunteering and helping someone from overseas years ago. They had an international passport issued by their country with an expiry date ( I think 5yrs). They sent this together with their own country drivers to DVLA, and they never did a test and simply received a UK drivers. But that was years ago, they are not from the US, and drive on the same side of the road as us.

But could MM not get / have gotten a UK drivers then?

Rubicscubicle many posters on this thread with more patience than I have spent time correcting your so called facts.

But like many of Megan's defenders who push the conspiracy theory of William and Kate uniting to bring her down, you will never accept she is the mistress of her own demise.

The passport controversy reminds me of Princess Charlene just before she got married. She ran away to Paris and couldn’t fly gone because her passport had been taken from her.

I’m also reminded of the Spencers who said they could never see Diana once she was married to Charles as the courtiers and PAs told them she was too busy to see them.

Everything is murky in this world.