Prince Andrew thoughts

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Maybe he’ll stop hiding behind his mummy now…

[quote Roussette]This is worth a look

abcnews.go.com/Nightline/video/jeffrey-epstein-accuser-maria-farmer-recounts-1st-night-71590841[/quote]
Thanks for this at Rousette - time and time again the authorities are aware of this abuse by public figures but ignore and suddenly appear to take it seriously almost when it's too late.....

@ancientgran The harrowing experiences you mention are exactly why it's so important for VG to do what she's doing. I do not think she's doing all this for the millions. It's about showing the world what really goes on, and making people think.

Too many women are still coerced and desperate, and too many men like PA (and also other women) just think they are sluts. I hope he's made an example of so that other girls don't have their lives ruined.

HRH will never stand in any court in any capacity especially one in the USA much as we might like to see it.

Mummy won't allow it for a start and I don't think even if she were no longer around Charles would throw him that far under a bus especially when said HRH's reputation and hopes of a return to public life are so clearly shot to hell and back already.

@upinaballoon

Serenster, what causes the extensions? Is it mostly lawyers asking for more time? Delaying tactics for the sake of it, or am I too harsh in asking that?

Not always - both sides can and do use delaying tactics from time to time but things can also just take longer in practice than you expect. Witnesses are unavailable to be interviewed. Someone discovers they have a whole load of relevant documents/records that no-one knew about. A new issue comes up that needs to be dealt with before things can get back on track. The parties have a side dispute about whether something is relevant or not, or whether part of the case should be struck out or not. Settlement discussions are started and everyone downs tools to avoid incurring more costs while they see if the case will be resolved. Etc etc. Litigation is not at all predictable, which makes estimating how long it should take pretty imprecise.

Completely agree he will never ever stand in court. I reckon this will be all dropped by Christmas. If they werent going to get it dropped the hot shot lawyers woukd have e recommended settling out of court. Shame its not in the UK or the Queen could have had a eureka moment like she did with the Burrell fiasco.

Shame its not in the UK or the Queen could have had a eureka moment like she did with the Burrell fiasco

That actually made me laugh. I'd forgotten that but it's all coming back now!

Some information on the Maxwell case
www.cnbc.com/2021/11/01/ghislaine-maxwell-loses-rulings-before-jeffrey-epstein-sex-case-trial.html

The Queen remembered Andrew was on Corgi duty not at annabels. Are dogs allowed in Annabels.

@Viviennemary

Completely agree he will never ever stand in court. I reckon this will be all dropped by Christmas. If they werent going to get it dropped the hot shot lawyers woukd have e recommended settling out of court. Shame its not in the UK or the Queen could have had a eureka moment like she did with the Burrell fiasco.

I thought Virginia had said she would not settle out of court. It takes two to settle out of court.

Ghislaine Maxwell's brother is saying that the only reason his sister is having these charges brought against her is because Bill Barr (the Attorney General at the time of JEs death) is embarrassed the prison service was negligent allowing JE to commit suicide. In other words she's a scapegoat.

Assuming PA was on royal duties and had sporadic contact with JE why are no other men being accused of similar crimes?
He can't be the only person the girls were expected to attend to.
JE was schmoozing many rich and famous.
Are they cowering somewhere watching anxiously or will the case finish with GM's trial?
Will she name names?
Is PA some sort of test case?

PA is the only one they can "get", at the moment. The FBI will only investigate what it chooses/is told to investigate by the people who pull the strings. They knew all about JE, GM, Wexner etc. years ago when Maria Farmer tried to escape and they refused to do anything.

Bill Clinton, a whole book full of unanswered questions right there.

@ChurchofLatterDayPaints

PA is the only one they can "get", at the moment. The FBI will only investigate what it chooses/is told to investigate by the people who pull the strings. They knew all about JE, GM, Wexner etc. years ago when Maria Farmer tried to escape and they refused to do anything.

Bill Clinton, a whole book full of unanswered questions right there.

If Andrew committed a crime then he should answer for it. What about this other person or that other person is irrelevant. Either he is innocent of the crime or not.

Why2Why Irrelevant to what? My answer was very relevant to pp. There are lots of men in powerful positions connected to JE who've committed the same crimes/offences/misdemeanours/moral outrages and worse, but they will never stand in the dock for those things.

I don't understand your point.

@ChurchofLatterDayPaints

Why2Why Irrelevant to what? My answer was very relevant to pp. There are lots of men in powerful positions connected to JE who've committed the same crimes/offences/misdemeanours/moral outrages and worse, but they will never stand in the dock for those things.

I don't understand your point.

I don’t understand your point either.

Andrew is responsible for his alleged crime and what happens to the others is largely irrelevant to him answering for his part in alleged the crime ring.

I thought Virginia had said she would not settle out of court. It takes two to settle out of court

This is a civil case, not a criminal one, where the end goal is to be paid damages. If the settlement offered is what the claimant has in mind, there is no possible incentive not to settle, and in fact a claimant can actually be penalised if they chose not to accept a reasonable settlement offer and then recover less at the actual hearing. The court is there to decide genuine disputes, and takes a dim view of people using it for point scoring.

Andrew is responsible for his alleged crime and what happens to the others is largely irrelevant to him answering for his part in alleged the crime ring.

This isn't a court, it's an internet forum discussion. So looking at the wider context isn't "irrelevant" at all, it's logical. On a thread about PA and JE it would be a bit strange not to ask why PA is the only one being pursued, why other people haven't been investigated for the same offences, why he and they wasn't/weren't investigated a long time ago, why there is a huge cover-up and what else has he done?

@Serenster

I thought Virginia had said she would not settle out of court. It takes two to settle out of court

This is a civil case, not a criminal one, where the end goal is to be paid damages. If the settlement offered is what the claimant has in mind, there is no possible incentive not to settle, and in fact a claimant can actually be penalised if they chose not to accept a reasonable settlement offer and then recover less at the actual hearing. The court is there to decide genuine disputes, and takes a dim view of people using it for point scoring.

As I understand what she wants is Andrew to be held accountable. The aim isn't actually to get money, that is simply the means to pursue him. Anyway Andrew would never settle at this point as it would be an admission of guilt. If Andrew does end up settling, it will be because there is a very real risk that Virginia rape and sexual abuse by Andrew will be proved in court. So settling would be the lesser of two evils. But it will be obvious to everyone that he is guilty.

@Serenster

I thought Virginia had said she would not settle out of court. It takes two to settle out of court

This is a civil case, not a criminal one, where the end goal is to be paid damages. If the settlement offered is what the claimant has in mind, there is no possible incentive not to settle, and in fact a claimant can actually be penalised if they chose not to accept a reasonable settlement offer and then recover less at the actual hearing. The court is there to decide genuine disputes, and takes a dim view of people using it for point scoring.

Thank you for your answer to my earlier question. and here is another. If a claimant has a settlement amount in mind does he or she have to say, most likely in a private way, at the outset, so that the judge or court officials know the figure that is 'in mind'?

You will at some stage have to set out the damages award that you are looking for in your court papers (often there will be lots of arguments about exactly how the claim is calculated and whether they are correct - past cases can set precedents - and whether they meet the various legal tests under which damages are calculated).

As for settlement negotiations, you generally would not disclose the bottom line amount you want to accept. It’s like bargaining for something in a marketplace - one party starts high, the other goes low and ideally you meet somewhere in the middle that both parties are happy with.

I'm not convinced JE is dead - living in Mexico with a new face, I reckon*. PA is a useful idiot to the men who have more to lose.

(*based on comprehensive reading of novels)

living in Mexico Or Israel or Saudi Arabia. Horrible thought, that he might still be out there. I'm not convinced though, it's very unlikely that Robert M wasn't bumped off by Mossad and while MSM might not be saying anything at all, this whole JE thing is connected to that.

While not an idiot like PA, JE was also dispensable, his only talents being blagging, lying, threatening and blackmailing people. So I'm sure they will easily find a replacement.

Yes I think Andrew is guilty as hell, but I also think other rich men see him as dispensable. Either that or he has pissed off other rich men so they wont do anything to help him.

@ChurchofLatterDayPaints

Andrew is responsible for his alleged crime and what happens to the others is largely irrelevant to him answering for his part in alleged the crime ring.

This isn't a court, it's an internet forum discussion. So looking at the wider context isn't "irrelevant" at all, it's logical. On a thread about PA and JE it would be a bit strange not to ask why PA is the only one being pursued, why other people haven't been investigated for the same offences, why he and they wasn't/weren't investigated a long time ago, why there is a huge cover-up and what else has he done?

Still, what does this have to do with Andrew’s guilt or innocent. Is it only in the courts that people have the ability and presence of mind to examine issues on their merit?

Your question about the others is interesting but irrelevant to Andrew’s innocence or guilt.

Seems the thread is about to go off course with conspiracy theories, what about the others, etc. People like Andrew will always expect to get a free pass because there are far too many people who want to examine others things rather than shine the light directly and fully on criminals in high places. Apparently, any one of them should only be held accountable if all of them are.