In what capacity are Harry and Meghan visiting New York

[IsabelBeck]

They are no longer working members of the Royal Family so have they gone to New York as private citizens?

How do they get to meet with Chelsea Clinton at the WHO offices and UN officials and politicians?

According to the Mail (I know, I know) they had federal protection.

Do Prince Harry and Meghan, the Duke and Duchess of Sussex (as they are styled there) have much clout in the US? Why?

I'm not zooming off

FFS. Where have I said that? This is getting ridiculous

Yes me too. I am not making personal attacks. Stop saying that. That is ridiculous. I do not want to fight with you. I missed your post about bumping elbows.
I will not be reporting your posts unless you accuse me personally of attacking you when all i did was challenge you.

i will continue to disagree with you. I think you can handle it. Now, i will zone off because this has become so boring i cant cope.

@Diverseopinions

Zuluqueen

It wasn't a 'story' about the bridesmaid dresses, and it didn't 'break'. It was one of those rumours that get circulated under the ' a little bird told me..' kind of headings which can never be classed as news because they don't herald from a reliable source. It was what somebody thought they saw. Nobody took it seriously and nobody thought anything had actually happened, until Meghan said that it had.

News stories are what editors mull over and authenticate and agonize over whether to publish. This was a bit of trivia, and nobody believed it or thought they knew the truth of what was behind it. All famous people ignore this unsubstantiated gossip when it pops up about themselves.

I don't remember Danny Baker's crass humour being applauded anywhere. He gave what he thought was a reasonable explanation, everyone condemned his attempt to justify himself: and he lost his job, I remember, and everybody was relieved he had .

In the context of a completely serious interview, Meghan chose to personally single out Catherine for condemnation. And she certainly embarrassed her position by telling the whole account of the flowers and the apology. It's horrible. Meghan had no feelings for her. Meghan was vague and non-commital about the other royal relations, but not her sister-in-law. Harry, obviously did nothing to stop his wife giving that account and upsetting his dear sister-in-law, with whom he used to get on so well.

Everybody has a hard time in the public eye, but to have your own family publicly turn on you. So wounding. I don't know how Catherine and the Queen put up with it, wondering what Harry and Meghan will say next, and all the while being patient and caring, and thinking of unity for the sake of those whom the Royal Family are there to serve. They must be so worried at times. If only Harry and Meghan could stop thinking about their own feelings, and think instead about people who don't live in luxury, who aren't beautiful and blessed, who can't do whatever they want. They should think of ordinary people in the world who suffer, and stop feeling such pity for their rich, free and immensely blessed and fortunate selves.

We will have to agree to disagree. The Meghan made Kate cry story was a huge thing🤷‍♀️. It was used on here & elsewhere to bully Meghan. It’s hilarious to me that now it’s being called a none story and a rumor. The minimizing of how this story amongst other untrue stories hurt Meghan is not surprising but typical. You are defending Katherine for what Meghan said, even though Meghan did not call Kate mean or was in any way cruel to her & that’s okay. To you and some, Meghan should not have corrected this untrue story or rumor as it’s now called.She should have risen above it. Well I don’t agree, I believe she had every right to correct it, and she had every right to say how it affected her especially when it seemed like a lot of people were against her for bullying Kate. Do you know the the kind of trauma a POC goes through when they are cast as a bully & agresssor when it’s not even true?. It’s eats away at you, you question yourself & hurt alone knowing that not many people will believe you because you are other. Fine you may not believe Meghan’s version of events, but others do, and we saw the cruelty she was subjected to. This story, yes story was relayed and dissected on here & the UK tabloid right wing press. Meghan was cast as a bully and even now we are constantly told how unpopular unwanted she is here . We had ‘experts’ on here explaining how M was wrong because bridesmaids had to wear tights due to protocol etc etc. It was relentless. It’s still ongoing now because whenever some on the tabloids feel they have to elevate Kate they bring up this story yo punch Meghan again & again. It’s as if Meghan was never supposed to say anything.

I actually don’t think Meghan is going to say anything about Katherine anymore, she said what she said & that’s it. She hasn’t said anything about the RF since that Oprah interview yet we keep hearing that she is trashing the RF. Me thinks the RF have other people who are doing harm now, & it’s got nothing to do with Meghan.

Me thinks the RF have other people who are doing harm now, & it’s got nothing to do with Meghan

CoughOmidScobieCough. We’ll have to agree to disagree on his links to Meghan I guess

Oh, and the other thing I meant to say - look at the last few pages of this thread where feelings seem to be higher than normal and people are misreading and misinterpreting written words all over the place.

Recollections of an interaction charged with emotion are never going to objective. I’m sure all of us have personal experience of two people walking away from a dispute and both firmly believing they are in the right. The Kensington Palace press office apparently said “That never happened” when they were first asked by the Press about the supposed altercation, which obviously was a lie, but certainly seems like the wisest thing to do to me.

Tbh @Serenster I don’t really rate Omid. To me he is a weasel who has made money & continues to make money from HaM like all the other royal reporters. I suppose some tolerate him because he is not hateful like some royal reporters who criticise everything Meghan does are court known white supremacists & Meghan hate on twitter. But I’m not one of them, I didn’t even read his novel 🤢.

• meant known to court

So does Scobie have access to inside information or not. That's what I'd like to know.

How can anyone say there’s no proof M bullied employees! We’re not in a position to be shown evidence. Equally, how can we someone has conducted a smear campaign? Perhaps they have grounds to make accusations.

I don’t know if Meghan bullied anybody and I hope someday soon the report comes out . If she bullied people I will call her her out for that & will not defend her . Bullying is horrible and should not be tolerated.
I hope the bullying report is released in full and not watered down and all parties have their say. Meghan seems confident that she has the evidence to support her innocence so I suppose we will see.

Just as a comment here really, I cannot imagine that any details will be published, irrespective of the outcomes. This is an internal investigation, not an employment tribunal, and all parties are entitled to have this matter resolved privately.

If any actions were taken as a result of the investigation, I think it more likely those would be announced. If anyone is holding out for any juicy details though - I think that is highly unlikely.

Zuluqueen

I thought saying that Catherine should have corrected the story was making her sound a hard, selfish person who wants to gain at another person's expense. I don't think you can really speak for someone and say that they owned their mistake, because you can never know if the flowers were a peace offering, a way to make somebody feel better, or an admission of guilt.bits an embarrassing story to tell on TV, anyway, and I don't think sensible people really felt the story was true and as told, in the first place. It was only based on what someone saw and thought they understood.

But one of the reasons I, for one, try to interpret things precisely and say how I'm doing that, and add nuance is that I don't want you to believe that most British people are biased against Meghan because she is a POC. I want to show it isn't a case of letting William's misdemeanors go by the by but not Harry's and of being anti-Meghan. You can believe it or not, but it must be awful feeling people are biased, I think, and I don't want you to feel that. I'm not biased against Meghan. But I realise, after today, that no matter how much you try to make an argument to show that, you can't. I can't. Everything I say probably makes me sound more and more biased. But if everyone were biased, why would they admire Doria so much , as we all undoubtedly do?

We all know nothing about each other on this forum, but we all go on saying what we think the others are really thinking and feeling.

@Roussette

Washed

I hate the phrase 'google is your friend' but I found two pages. I am not going to spend my evening linking it. I'll be told off for being obsessive and on someone's payroll if I do!

As I have said three times now... if I'm wrong, correct me next June.

You don’t want to spend your evening posting links but happy to repeatedly say you won’t post links. Seems a poor use of time to me.

But if everyone were biased, why would they admire Doria so much , as we all undoubtedly do?

Ah, the trope of the 'good Black person'. Smile, stay quiet, "rise above it" and they like you. I've lost count of the number of times I heard people say they can't be racist because they like Michelle Obama and how "dignified" she is!

But speak out and it's very different - you become the Angry Black Woman.

If the story that got out was a version of what happened, it never occurred to Kate to correct it. Their motto which most of them manage most of the time is ''Never complain, Never Explain''. Nearly all of them have ended up on some chat show host's sofa at some point to get THEIR SIDE across, but not The Queen or Kate. I think she observes that. Even William took out his bit of paper and told us how we should feel about the Martin Bashir interview. Not an interview on a chat show, but, Kate has never ''explained'' so far. As if she was going to start now with a row about dresses. MM as a newbie to the royal fam didn't understand that and felt betrayed.

It wasn't a 'story' about the bridesmaid dresses, and it didn't 'break'. It was one of those rumours that get circulated under the ' a little bird told me..' kind of headings which can never be classed as news because they don't herald from a reliable source. It was what somebody thought they saw. Nobody took it seriously and nobody thought anything had actually happened, until Meghan said that it had.

The story was broken by royal reporter Camilla Tominey. It was an article and people took it very seriously. They used it to show what kind of character Meghan has. It was discussed on panels all the time, I remember how angry Carole Malone was one day, screaming 'this is a woman who made the future queen cry' over and over. Camilla later stood by the story and said that is what she was told by the palace and no one corrected it. She then went on to say 'maybe they made each other cry' . If so, then why did she not report on Meghan's crying. The story sat, festered and people made up their minds about Meghan's personality based on it. It very much is a serious character assassination.

Kate does not need to sit on a sofa, just as the good news about her are told via palace sources, and bad news about Meghan are the same.

Her office just had to call the RRs and formally say, look that story never took place, or both women cried.

This was deliberate !

Camilla Tominey has twisted the truth and made up stuff and lied about Meghan endlessly. I unfortunately saw her on some programme, and said "MM had said Archie is a voracious reader, how interesting considering he's only 2 years old!" All said with a sneer and a tinkly laugh

She did not say that at all, she said that Archie has a voracious appetite for books and always says 'again again' when she reads to him. Just like any other toddler, just like mine used to be.

When challenged she doubles down and starts insulting anyone who calls her out.
Nasty woman.

@Roussette

Jason Knauf who engineered a smear campaign (he is bestie with Dan Wootton... ghastly man...) has left as K&M's press secretary.

It's been dropped.

Feel free to pick me up on this in June 2022.

I will be here in June 2022 to pick up on the people who say you are not telling the truth.

This allegation is being left to give the public a stick to beat up Meghan. Even in the original story, Jason K reported the bullying and the supposed victims wanted nothing to do with it. He then took it to the press back in 2020, I think. In a knee jack reaction to the upcoming Oprah interview, the palace decided to come up with something to smear MM and said they are investigating. Truth is, if the victims don't want to press charges, why is it taking 18mnths to investigate. Answer it does not take that long, this is just to keep a ? over MM's character and let it sink in that she is a bully. This could have been resolved in as little as 3months - and that is generous. We will likely not hear a result or details even by this time next year, so that murmurings of Meghan is a bully can carry on forever. The only time we hear anything will be if H&M bother to chase it up and say this was your deadline you need to publicly release the results.

Jason Knauf was probably quietly asked to resign, he has caused enough problems.

@Roussette

Camilla Tominey has twisted the truth and made up stuff and lied about Meghan endlessly. I unfortunately saw her on some programme, and said "MM had said Archie is a voracious reader, how interesting considering he's only 2 years old!" All said with a sneer and a tinkly laugh

She did not say that at all, she said that Archie has a voracious appetite for books and always says 'again again' when she reads to him. Just like any other toddler, just like mine used to be.

When challenged she doubles down and starts insulting anyone who calls her out.
Nasty woman.

Oh come on. We all roll our eyes at those kind of parent comments/ brags. “His first word was hydrate” Even if one of my nearest and dearest told me this, my eyes would take a week to come back to their original position.

@Roussette

Camilla Tominey has twisted the truth and made up stuff and lied about Meghan endlessly. I unfortunately saw her on some programme, and said "MM had said Archie is a voracious reader, how interesting considering he's only 2 years old!" All said with a sneer and a tinkly laugh

She did not say that at all, she said that Archie has a voracious appetite for books and always says 'again again' when she reads to him. Just like any other toddler, just like mine used to be.

When challenged she doubles down and starts insulting anyone who calls her out.
Nasty woman.

People put side by side the footage of what MM says and what Camilla says. She was outed. Camilla Tominey is a liar hashtag went on for ages.

Nasty woman indeed.

I can see shades of Mark Antony’s speech in Shakespeare’s Julius Caesar in the way Meghan was able to say something about Kate - she’s a good person - while implying something else in the totality of her words. This is so reminiscent of Mark Antony calling Brutus honourable but insinuating the opposite.

Anyway, I digress!

I wish that there had been someone around before H&M talked to Oprah who really cared enough about them both to advise them not to touch on some of their chosen topics because the inclusion of those subjects did not cast them in a good light. To me, it seemed unwise for H to say that his funds from Dad had been cut off and for M to say that K made her cry because it’s difficult to say such things without seeming churlish.

On the other hand, much more could have been said about the inability of the royal family and entourage to deal with mental health problems and systemic racism - no need to resort to name-calling obviously. Those would seem more important subjects to tackle and I felt more time could have been devoted to clarifying the exact nature of such problems and what measures they thought might be taken to address the issues. I, for one, wouldn’t be at all surprised if there is a lack of diversity in the royal household and if there are some lingering questionable attitudes surviving in the corridors of the old palaces and stately homes.

As far as the claims made that Meghan was a bully go, I found those rather overwrought in tone.
Clearly there has been a lot of tension. I would prefer to think that there has been a mismatch in the preferred modus operandi. The descriptions of Meghan made her sound like the Wicked Witch of the West and leave me feeling sceptical. Mind you, I am also sceptical of any claims that the Royals did everything wrong and M&H did everything right!

I will be here in June 2022 to pick up on the people who say you are not telling the truth

Thank you rubics

Jason Knauf was the direct channel to Dan Wootton who is another Camilla. They were at University together and JK fed him negative stories about MM.
Bear in mind he is on GB News, that wonderful new channel (I'm being ironic!). He is given a platform to spout his 'opinion' about H&M continually on there. Just like Piers Morgan. The only difference is the channel only has about 4 viewers lol

We all roll our eyes at those kind of parent comments/ brags

But CT was saying a lie on the books thing. A total lie.

@OutwiththeOutCrowd
Great post