In what capacity are Harry and Meghan visiting New York

[IsabelBeck]

They are no longer working members of the Royal Family so have they gone to New York as private citizens?

How do they get to meet with Chelsea Clinton at the WHO offices and UN officials and politicians?

According to the Mail (I know, I know) they had federal protection.

Do Prince Harry and Meghan, the Duke and Duchess of Sussex (as they are styled there) have much clout in the US? Why?

@OutwiththeOutCrowd

I don't assume anyone was an aggressor. I don't assume anyone was a victim. In most cases - I realise not all - when there is a disagreement, both parties can be involved in things becoming emotional and heated, especially when conditions are stressful, as they were for Meghan and Kate.

All I'm saying is that perhaps both cried at some point. It would be understandable, although Meghan may not have witnessed Kate in tears at the time.

It seems to me to have been something that should have been played out in private. Perhaps Kate felt mentioning the event in public would just make it all more of an issue than it needed to be.

When I first saw the story, I just thought that’s a typical thing to happen during a wedding. People get stressed. I didn’t think particularly reflected badly on anyone.

Yes, I just thought typical run-up-to-a-wedding madness. Didn't think it made either look bad particularly - and had a lot of sympathy for Meghan with all her family shenanigans playing out in the background.

if an anonymous person posted on Stately Homes about him doing what he's done, the advice would be NC!

It works the other way round as well.

I wonder if Gransnet has an equivalent stately homes thread?. Adult children's behaviour towards their parents can be appalling. Elder abuse (either financial/mental or physical) is a growing problem that is talked little about because there is a degree of shame attached to it. You also can't bandy about the 'go NC' like you see on here.

A deviation but wanted to get that off my chest.

The story about the bridesmaid dresses was tittle tattle from somebody working nearby and was reported as such in the press. There was no need to acknowledge the rumour publicly as an actual happening and to make sure everyone knows who is the supposed injured party. Nobody thought anything except that people can be tearful about all kinds of things and nobody could ever be sure why Catherine had seemed to be crying.

If Meghan knows what it is like to be upset, then she must understand how much her interview with Oprah might have upset her in laws.

To give a similar example, somebody posted on Mumsnet, before Archie was born, that they knew somebody who had been working on a royal residence and he'd heard from staff there that the baby had been born, a week before the birth was announced, and that it was a boy. Nobody took that hearsay seriously and convinced themselves it was gospel truth. And nobody took any notice of the hearsay reported by the press about the bridesmaid dresses. It's not like the press reported a news story. It was gossip.

Storm I agree
I've seen some truly awful MIL threads when I've thought WTAF

People made a huge deal out of the bridesmaids story even here on Mumsnet. I remember the numbered vitriolic threads very well. People beloved Meghan was the the aggressor so I’m not going to suddenly believe that some of those same people who called Meghan names for this story suddenly think it’s a non issue now. Like I said some POC understood this narrative really well, and how it played out and still continues to play out is not a surprise.

Oh and there was every need for Meghan to correct the story in public, she was the one who was vilified and was a punching bag when she was pregnant and her mental health deteriorated as a result of such stories. S

• believed Meghan was the aggressor

@Zuluqueen

Do you think Meghan cares passionately about the MH of others? Do you think trashing her husbands family was a good way to react and shows awareness of MH issues her innacurate stories caused? Please look more into it.

How did Meghan 'trash' her husband's family?
She was very complimentary about Kate and they both told us why they left
Some of the language on here like 'trashing' is ridiculous

Leibham I presume you are saying people can't speak out if something is wrong

@Leibham yes I believe Meghan cares about the mental health of mental health of others. She didn’t trash anybody, she talked about her experiences. She faced bullying & racism and yes I believe her . She never called anybody here names, she was bullied for by the tabloids, stories leaked from the palace with her being called a girl, degreee wife Meghain just to name the few. No person deserves this. Some of us understand or understood that when she mentioned the racism & unfairness of it all she would be vilified some more. I don’t think Meghan sought out to destroy a 100 year old institution or that she is a Jezebel who stole Harry from his people. Can you imagine how it must have hurt to be told to go back home? .
I don’t believe Meghan is perfect, far from it. I didn’t like the Oprah interview for my own reason but I understand why they did. Just like I understood why Michelle Obama didn’t really defend herself when she was still a First Lady but later felt she was able to openly about how some of the nasty things said about her hurt her.

Well lets be thankful that not all families have the mouthpiece of Oprah to air their grievances in front of the whole world.

@Viviennemary

Well lets be thankful that not all families have the mouthpiece of Oprah to air their grievances in front of the whole world.

Ha ha! My SIL would love the chance to slag me off!

Yes let’s be thankful too for not all families have the tabloids & TV personalities and opinion columnists to defend them while painting one who married in to be a villain.

Obviously Catherine is viewed as somebody who has no feelings at all; nobody needs to care about her; it doesn't matter if she is upset...what is she, just a statue?

I could never do that to anyone. I could never go on television and say this person wronged me and they know it and they actually owned the fact and brought me flowers. And yes, you public, in case you are wondering what the issue was about, it was actually about dresses, yes. And my feelings are hurt.

I would never, ever do that to somebody in a million years. It's like trying to bring Catherine down. Talk about a difficult job they are all doing in the public eye, but clearly some people think, for some reason, that Catherine doesn't feel things. I wonder why anybody would think that she can't feel hurt.

My mum didnt need oprah. She just smeared me hrrself

Of course Kate feels things but she has the total backing of the palace PR machine correcting stories on her behalf.
I have linked something many a time to show the palace rebuttals versus the zilch corrections for Meghan, can't do it now as I'm on a mobile. But I promise you, it's valid
She had to put up and shut up, no wonder they left

After countless news reports of what Meghan so say did, and endless vitriolic articles talking of this, and countless horrible threads on MN, why should Meghan not say...actually it wasn't quite like that? She was gracious and complimented Kate at the same time.

And did Kate get any backlash for the fact it was not what the MSM had been endlessly falsely reporting?
NO. None at all

@Diverseopinions

Obviously Catherine is viewed as somebody who has no feelings at all; nobody needs to care about her; it doesn't matter if she is upset...what is she, just a statue?

I could never do that to anyone. I could never go on television and say this person wronged me and they know it and they actually owned the fact and brought me flowers. And yes, you public, in case you are wondering what the issue was about, it was actually about dresses, yes. And my feelings are hurt.

I would never, ever do that to somebody in a million years. It's like trying to bring Catherine down. Talk about a difficult job they are all doing in the public eye, but clearly some people think, for some reason, that Catherine doesn't feel things. I wonder why anybody would think that she can't feel hurt.

I disagree, from the commentary on here and on British press when this story broke Kate was viewed as someone with feelings who was bullied and hurt by Meghan. Some of the things said about Meghan were truly shocking!. Just this week one of the defenders used his platform to compare M & Kate. He wrote a nasty unhinged column praising Kate & calling Meghan saying how nasty for being mean to Kate. I’m not going to blame Kate for what others do or say in her name, just as I’m not going to blame Meghan for defending herself and correcting a cruel narrative that contributed to her deteriorating mental health.

Wasn’t it a case of both women made each other cry over the dresses?

She was gracious and complimented Kate at the same time

Actually she completely minimised and dismissed any experiences Kate may have gone through at the hands of the press. She said to Oprah: "Unfortunately if members of his family say well this is what's happened to all of us, if they can compare what the experience what I went through was similar to what has been shared with us - Kate was called 'waity Katie' - waiting to marry William - while I imagine that was really hard, and I do, I can't picture what that felt like, this is not the same”

And she’s right, it wasn’t the same. Meghan didn’t have to face a scrum of paparazzi aggressively pursuing her when she left her house or when she went out at night. She didn’t have her privacy invaded by having her mobile phone voicemail messages hacked into more than 100 times (although Harry has spoken at length about how horrible he found that experience, maybe she could have asked him about it?), she never had her privacy invaded and had topless photos of her taken on holiday published.

Id say there was no backlash against kate because people think it was a row about dresses that kate had the sense not to comment on.

In the oprah interview, meghan said, everybody else was doing what i wanted, it didnt make sense not to"

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Zuluqueen

You wouldn't do what Meghan did to anybody you liked, you just think that Catherine doesn't count as somebody you need to be kind about.

I really can't believe that you would correct a mistaken impression about yourself by dropping somebody else in it and making them look bad. I don't believe for one minute you would do that about any of your friends.

I am not a fan of this confessional stuff. I strongly disliked the way Princess Diana did it and I think Harry should acknowledge that airing grievances, a little of what Charles did too, does not help anybody: not the kids; not the public. These Royals and those who marry into it have been given immense privilege and opportunity and they should focus more on the poor citizens of the world, whose cause they are supposed to be helping, and not themselves.

@serenster yes, kate was dragged and belittled for a decade but Meghan just took it upon herself to declare that "that was different".

Catherine had it much worse than Meghan but she is a much stronger person. Meghan clearly has vast insecurities and you would have thought she had been prepped before going public on her relationship with Harry but she strikes me as fairly immature and like she wanted to rush it all and wouldn’t listen to advice. She’s like an eager 18 year old with their first boyfriend, only she’s more than twice that age!

Ok Serenster you're saying the press were worse with Kate than Meghan
Gosh
I have nothing to say

For once you've shut me up