In what capacity are Harry and Meghan visiting New York

[IsabelBeck]

They are no longer working members of the Royal Family so have they gone to New York as private citizens?

How do they get to meet with Chelsea Clinton at the WHO offices and UN officials and politicians?

According to the Mail (I know, I know) they had federal protection.

Do Prince Harry and Meghan, the Duke and Duchess of Sussex (as they are styled there) have much clout in the US? Why?

Oh yes, I'd forgotten about that Duke. He can't be in prison for the fourth or fifth time then!

I dont think its beyond the bounds of possibility that they are eventually withdrawn from the line of succession if their permanent country of residence is the USA.

A case of watch this space then. Never ever AFAIC, given the Q's nazi sympathiser treasonous Uncle kept his titles.
He was so repugnant his title Duke of Windsor had to be consigned to history forever after his death

@Viviennemary

I dont think its beyond the bounds of possibility that they are eventually withdrawn from the line of succession if their permanent country of residence is the USA.

I think it'll take more than "living overseas" for that to happen. And the US really isn't the den of iniquity a lot of posters on Mumsnet think it is. I imagine them pronouncing "an American??" with distaste, much like Downton Abbey's dowager duchess!

Roussette, where do you get the term 'single out' from? Your insistence that Harry is being victimised for reasons people are disingenuously refusing to openly acknowledge is blinkering you to what is actually being said.

We are talking about Harry now because it is 2021, and Harry is actively pursuing his course now. If this were 1990 or so, and we could go back in time, we'd be talking about Sarah Ferguson and about what is right and seemly in her case.

Every situation is contextual. Now this is constitutionally unchartered territory. I can think of royals who have resigned, but not ones I think are set on making a living out of dissing the Royal Family. It is also a different age now, an age of more connectivity through the internet. So it is an interesting study to see how things are developing. I'm interested to gauge what is the modern world's view of celebrity and if people can really by global influencers having little expertise, q of general interest, about anything but privilege.

Because I studied European history, I can remember instances of parliament becoming extreme and the peers' chamber being moderate by comparison. That is why I like to have a number of institutions all working together under the constitution.

Why if William does not preach, neither does Harry?

I don't suppose Beatrice phones clients and says: "Hello, it's Princess Beatrice of England, here".

Since in the line of succession is eligible for hHead of State. That is the reason I think they need to be removed from the line of succession. I think there are also rules in the USA regarding who can run for President. Nothing to do with dens of iniquity. Andrew Epstein

@Diverseopinions

Why if William does not preach, neither does Harry?

I don't suppose Beatrice phones clients and says: "Hello, it's Princess Beatrice of England, here".

Huh ???

@Viviennemary

Since in the line of succession is eligible for hHead of State. That is the reason I think they need to be removed from the line of succession. I think there are also rules in the USA regarding who can run for President. Nothing to do with dens of iniquity. Andrew Epstein

When one of the York sisters lived worked in NY, they were never removed from succession, neither were their titles. The same for Lord Freddy Windsor.

Diverse I'm not blinkered thanks, I just have no idea why you're so worked up about a couple we don't pay for, and who don't live here!
Extremely odd.

And believe me...if they chose to give up the Duke/duchess titles, or were stripped of them, there would be yet another outcry about something else on MN. The goalposts have been moved so much with this couple, there's a case of shoulder ache

They can't win.

rubics oh yes. And I remember at the time looking at the NYwebsite. She was styled as Princess xxxxx

Working away for a while is different from permanently resident. IMHO.

@Roussette

Diverse I'm not blinkered thanks, I just have no idea why you're so worked up about a couple we don't pay for, and who don't live here! Extremely odd.

And believe me...if they chose to give up the Duke/duchess titles, or were stripped of them, there would be yet another outcry about something else on MN. The goalposts have been moved so much with this couple, there's a case of shoulder ache

They can't win.

This.

Ok. That's a new rule I didn't know about.

Hard to square that with Sarah's use of Duchess for 25 years and her living in US for very many years if not a decade

@Viviennemary

Working away for a while is different from permanently resident. IMHO.

Have you seen Harry's passport then? How do you know he is a permanent resident and how do you know Freddy is not?

Freddy has been there for a very long time. There were no presumptions that the York sisters were permanent residents of the US?

Weird indeed. H&M have been in US what...less than 2 years but they should be stripped of their titles and not be in line of succession.

SF can keep her title despite making a life out there and probably only coming back when the money ran out.
Other royals can happily live out there and have done.

But oh no... Not evil Harry and Meghan

I'm annoyed H and M are denigrating the monarchy because I like the work monarchy does and because I don't like the particular way that they are going about airing their grievances.

I think to believe that people have got it in for H and M must make a person feel sad. It's almost a duty to justify reasons for not approving of them, so that faith in other people can be restored.

I have read this kind of post before, stating that posters are biased against the couple, and it is so patently untrue that I just feel moved to justify why I disapprove of them.

Sarah Ferguson wasn’t resident in the US. I don’t think she ever lived there did she? I agree it’s ridiculous she has a title.
The big difference is that Harry has slagged their family off publicly. Now he’s trading on his connections to make money for himself whilst embarrassing all his family and running down the institution.
He was also in the position of being a working royal beforehand unlike any other meme et. SF is divorced so out of the fold anyway. The York sisters never left the country permanently or slagged off the RF.

Well then you will understand if posters question why you are not so disappointed in Prince Charles and others airing family grievances and asking for them to be removed from succession and titles.

I suppose because Charles is going to be King. I think the interview he gave to Dimblelby was absolutely cringeworthy. I don’t really like Charles at all. But we are stuck with him. Who else has given interviews criticising the RF? Charles was talking about himself rather than dissing the institution as a whole.

Yes she did live there. She was US Weight watchers head and many other roles. Now...how permanent that was I don't know

stating that posters are biased against the couple, and it is so patently untrue that I just feel moved to justify why I disapprove of them

Are you new to MN?

If so, you won't know about the years and hundreds of threads posted about them, often threads deleted and hundreds and hundreds of posts deleted because of how unpleasant and nasty they were.

If you're not new, you should know better than to say 'people are not biaised'

Washed if you want to talk about embarrassing the RF, you need to talk about PA.
He is worldwide news and is far far more damaging
Read some press from other countries

@Roussette

Diverse I'm not blinkered thanks, I just have no idea why you're so worked up about a couple we don't pay for, and who don't live here! Extremely odd.

And believe me...if they chose to give up the Duke/duchess titles, or were stripped of them, there would be yet another outcry about something else on MN. The goalposts have been moved so much with this couple, there's a case of shoulder ache

They can't win.

subjective opinion alert

Harry and Meghan have been subjected to an unbelievable amount of cruelty, personalised criticism, unfounded allegations and wild speculation for a sustained period of time.

As far I can see, their only crime has been to voice their own personal criticism of the treatment they experienced, which hurt them both, deeply.

Looking at them in recent appearances (Harry at PP's funeral and the statue unveiling) (Meghan in NY last weekend) I don't think they are in a good place, mentally or physically.

That does not surprise me at all. You would need more than the skin of a rhino to endure the ignorant, blanket, uninformed and cruel treatment meted out to them without cracking up.

None of us knows them, but if I met them I would express my deep sympathy for what they have experienced.

@Roussette

Yes she did live there. She was US Weight watchers head and many other roles. Now...how permanent that was I don't know

stating that posters are biased against the couple, and it is so patently untrue that I just feel moved to justify why I disapprove of them

Are you new to MN?

If so, you won't know about the years and hundreds of threads posted about them, often threads deleted and hundreds and hundreds of posts deleted because of how unpleasant and nasty they were.

If you're not new, you should know better than to say 'people are not biaised'

Washed if you want to talk about embarrassing the RF, you need to talk about PA.
He is worldwide news and is far far more damaging
Read some press from other countries

Oh God Not this again. I have commented on Andrew. I loathe him. That doesn’t preclude me finding H and M totally obnoxious for different reasons.

SF might be divorced but she is far far from 'out of the fold anyway'

No.
She lives on our dime at Royal Lodge, she holidays at Balmoral and she is funded by her ex who has just started he has no assets. That means the Queen then

Hardly 'out the fold' is it???

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