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The royal family

Prince Andrew has bolted to Balmoral

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Viviennemary · 08/09/2021 10:30

This according to guess who. The DM of course. To avoid getting papers served says the article. Maybe he's just gone for a nice break. Accompanied by Fergie.

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ChurchofLatterDayPaints · 15/09/2021 18:25

Agreed, Puzzled, that it's largely irrelevant what happened procedurally. But he's made it far, far worse for himself by behaving this way. If your case is strong enough, you have no problem fighting it. He's lost all chance of making VG look bad and has just made himself look as though he's trying to get away with something due to being a bit special.

Roussette · 15/09/2021 18:31

he needs to put his big boy pants on and face up to things

I got told off good and proper for saying PA needs to man up!

Roussette · 15/09/2021 18:32

Porridge when he actually went there, they were

MummyJ12 · 15/09/2021 18:33

@Roussette

he needs to put his big boy pants on and face up to things

I got told off good and proper for saying PA needs to man up!

That’s a shame. You were absolutely right. Some other posters on here need educating on what true prejudice is. It makes my blood pressure rocket.
Serenster · 15/09/2021 18:34

As service is an essential part of any legal proceeding (because it ensures that the defendant knows that a court process has been started against them) but be difficult and time-consuming in international cases. The Hague Convention on Service aims to simplify the process by establishing a uniform framework to serve judicial documents in foreign countries.

The Convention applies where a judicial document is to be served by someone in one member state upon someone in another member state. You need to know the address of the person to be served, and the document to be served relates to a civil or commercial matter.

It operates via authorities in each country, not individuals. A competent authority in New York will transmit a request for service to the relevant authority in the UK (the High Court).

So here, this process has been available for the claimant’s lawyers to use right from the start. You are not tied into this mode of service, but it is available and convenient when, for example, it is the summer holidays, and your defendant may either be at his normal residence in Windsor, or staying at his mother’s estate in Scotland, and you are not sure which. It will also be useful where you know, for example, that you can’t just walk up tot he front door of whichever location he turns out to be.

What the lawyers did in this case was send someone to Prince Andrew’s house, the Royal Lodge. Delivery to someone’s “usual or last known address” is fine for service under UK laws. I’ve already pointed out however that NY law requires the service to be valid under NY law, and the courts there don’t care what the local jurisdiction thinks is adequate. So, if service at the usual address isn’t enough under NY law, the claimant’s NY lawyers will have known this. Getting service right is entirely their responsibility. They could have used The Hague Convention process form the outset, because the problems in serving Andrew were fairly obvious. So yes, they have stuffed up.

If I was the client and my lawyer got service wrong, and needed to make a court application to rectify the situation, you can bet I won’t be paying them for the first attempt that didn’t meet the riles.

ChurchofLatterDayPaints · 15/09/2021 18:38

OK Serenster, but with respect who gives a shit about all of that?

He's where he needs to be. Under full-on public scrutiny.

SpindleWhorl · 15/09/2021 18:43

[quote Puzzledandpissedoff]And now the Chair of the Prince's Foundation, Charles's umbrella group for his charities, has resigned over the cash for access allegations

No doubt the prince "knew nothing about this" either, but I suppose it's nice that at least one person around him has some integrity ... somehow I doubt he learned it from the boss

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-58574250[/quote]
Douglas Connell said he would be responsible "if it appears that serious misconduct may have taken place".

Is he the convenient fall guy?

I'm sick of the lot of them. And I never thought I'd say that before the Queen had died.

MummyJ12 · 15/09/2021 18:44

They maybe should have used The Hague Convention last month, but I honestly think that the extent to which he has evaded service has shocked everyone.
I therefore don’t agree that VG’s legal counsel have made a hash of this. If PA wasn’t doing such a good job at ‘catch me if you can’, it would have been a sound service of papers. You sometimes can’t account for shadiness.

Nightlystroll · 15/09/2021 18:52

This whole situation is bizarre. I used to prosecute cases and therefore I had to serve people. No person I ever served made themselves willingly available. Lol. Courts are very unpredictable - no one wants to risk going to court if they don't need to. I could have posted summonses but I'd never have relied on that. I always did a personal service. These legal companies earn a fortune. Surely they'd do a proper service. How embarrassing for them that they can't get that right. Maybe they shouldtak less, and work more. Very inept of them.

MummyJ12 · 15/09/2021 18:54

It would have been impossible to serve PA personally though….? You can’t exactly go up to his door and knock. 😂

MummyJ12 · 15/09/2021 18:56

In my training, I was always told that Royal Mail was “good service” as long as we had proof of postage.

Serenster · 15/09/2021 18:57

@MummyJ12If you read the process server’s affidavit (which is the most anyone knows about what happened) he went to Royal Lodge one day, got told no-one was there to take the papers, and given a contact number to call. Having called the number, they said “come back the next day and the guards will take the papers”. He did so, and they did.

Where on earth you (or anyone) is getting the idea that Andrew was evading service from that account is absolutely beyond me. He may well have been in Scotland, not at the Royal Lodge, but it was August. People in the UK are often on holiday in August and if you just turn up at a normal person’s house then there’s every chance they won’t be there either.

Serenster · 15/09/2021 19:00

@MummyJ12

In my training, I was always told that Royal Mail was “good service” as long as we had proof of postage.
If you have any legal training, you will know very well that every single jurisdiction has their own detailed laws, and assuming you know what they without checking with a locally qualified lawyer is negligence, pure and simple.
SpindleWhorl · 15/09/2021 19:01

I don't care.

Andrew knows service has been attempted, repeatedly, otherwise he wouldn't have been able to instruct his lawyers to talk about the attempts at service to the NY judge.

It's not Shrodinger's Service ffs.

I'm really tired of his pathetic games.

SpindleWhorl · 15/09/2021 19:03

This is Prince Andrew, on the royal pay roll, bills bankrolled by the Queen and country, not Bob from Slough who owes some debts to Darren.

Serenster · 15/09/2021 19:03

I am sorry for the posters who are upset that the legal system, and litigation, doesn’t work they way they want it to. But, it doesn’t.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 15/09/2021 19:04

"Douglas Connell said he would be responsible "if it appears that serious misconduct may have taken place"

Is he the convenient fall guy?

Fall guy ... whipping boy ... take your pick

I realise Andrew's reputation's down the toilet, but the RF might think it a shame for what's left of Charles's to go the same way; after all it could look like a job lot

MummyJ12 · 15/09/2021 19:05

What more could they have done then (with the exception of what they are now doing)
to ensure the service of the papers? Where on Earth you are getting Serenster that he wasn’t evading service is beyond me!

SpindleWhorl · 15/09/2021 19:06

And I'm sorry for the UK to be landed with this shifty, shitty family tbh, one of whom is the 'Head of State'. Hideous people.

Nightlystroll · 15/09/2021 19:12

@MummyJ12

It would have been impossible to serve PA personally though….? You can’t exactly go up to his door and knock. 😂
Exactly! Which is why you do it through the proper channels. If you can see the problems, surely a million dollar law firm would.
SpindleWhorl · 15/09/2021 19:16

Well, they're doing it through the High Court now, as per.

Guess they made the mistake of taking Andrew at his word about being 'too honourable'.

Roussette · 15/09/2021 19:19

It's made out that VGs team are useless and can't even serve papers properly.
I don't see that myself

ChurchofLatterDayPaints · 15/09/2021 19:28

@Serenster

I am sorry for the posters who are upset that the legal system, and litigation, doesn’t work they way they want it to. But, it doesn’t.
Oh but it does.

Eventually.

SpindleWhorl · 15/09/2021 19:33

It's Andrew being prissy and pedantic again, @Roussette, in the face of an impending disaster that everyone else can see.

Like him passive-aggressively correcting Emily Maitlis's pronunciation of 'Ghislaine' as she was publicly destroying his reputation, as though his status and superior inside track on his circle of friends would make it all go away somehow.

Roussette · 15/09/2021 19:42

Yep, you've got it there, spot on
The arrogance is astounding