Prince Andrew has bolted to Balmoral

[Viviennemary]

This according to guess who. The DM of course. To avoid getting papers served says the article. Maybe he's just gone for a nice break. Accompanied by Fergie.

But the RF were ridiculous with Saville, so over the top. What other celeb have they been so ingratiating with?

I don’t know Roussette,I never knew about their connection to Saville until recently, however Psychopaths like Saville seek out people with power and manipulate them. He fooled so many people.

So, so, so many people knew about Jimmy Saville's behaviour and stayed quiet. It was something widely acknowledged in the industry - not the extent of it but the fact he was a creep who was (at best) inappropriate with young girls. I don't for a second believe that nobody in the royal family's team knew about all the rumours about him. It's like people who pretended to be shocked at Harvey Weinstein despite the fact it was an open secret in the industry that he was an appalling person and thrived on the 'casting couch' tactics of abusive men in power.

I don’t put too much blame on Charles for the Jimmy Saville alliance, he had a whole country fooled. Psychopaths are very good at charming and manipulating people

This is fair enough up to a point, though the RF have access to information we don't, but in Peter Ball's case (like Epstein's) his crimes were known - which no doubt explains how Charles came to be officially criticised in the IICSA report

Naturally Charles claimed he knew nothing about the atrocities - in the old quote "Well he would say that wouldn't he?"- but since the report tells us that he discussed Ball with the AoC during his campaign to return to the ministry, his claim frankly beggars belief

Again, this is the future monarch we're talking about; do we really want a supporter of known paedophiles on the throne, expecting respect and pretending to be some kind of exemplar for the common oiks to look up to?

www.iicsa.org.uk/reports-recommendations/publications/investigation/anglican-chichester-peter-ball/executive-summary

Yes PC activrly supported Ball even when he knew

And it's SUCH an important point that the RF have access to information the general public don't. Who knows what they knew about Saville

I don’t believe Charles was deliberately supporting paedophiles, I think he was manipulated by them and has a poor judge of character. It’s easy to dismiss rumours as bring baseless and unkind. I don’t ghink anyone in the royal family is exceptionally bright and good at judging characters. Unfortunately the upbringing and lifestyle means they are not used to ordinary people and everyone behaves oddly to them. If you want a royal family you must accept a certain level of character flaws.

There have been other cover ups too. There was someone in PCs household who was bullying another member of staff or an allegation of sexual assault. It was all covered up.

I can assure you people did not know about Peter Ball. I worked for the CofE at one time and he was highly regarded.

With Saville, there were apparently rumours around the BBC but there are always rumours about people there. With no proof, it is difficult. However it has since transpired that hospital staff at the places he visited had some idea - they even told the children to pretend to be asleep when he came round.

Saville also visited children's homes and schools for those who were vulnerable or in trouble; nobody listened to the girls there, typical. I mentioned earlier that I was in such a school/home for two years with a girl who had a 'thing' about and with Jimmy Saville in the 1960s. Looking back the whole relationship and her attitude to him was dodgy but we didn't think along those lines at the time. She was a smashing girl, I often wonder what happened to her afterwards.

It's quite possible to believe you know somebody well and later find out horrible things about them. It's an awful shock! People like that are very careful, usually have a charismatic personality and will go out of their way to cultivate 'friendships' with high profile characters as a cover.

Ah well - I haven't looked at the news today so don't know the latest. I wonder what progress is with the Ghislane M. trial or whatever it is that is happening in the USA, will look online later.

It’s easy to dismiss rumours as bring baseless and unkind

Agreed, but this wasn't just a rumour; it concerned crimes for which Ball had already accepted a caution and which were the subject of an ongoing investigation by the CofE while Ball was campaigning for his job back

Since this was the very time when Charles wrote to Ball that he felt "desperately strongly about the monstrous wrongs done" and "wished he could do more" - also buying him a house to rent - it's unavoidable that he'd have known the subject of those "monstrous wrongs", and that therefore he lied

Of COURSE PC knew. Friends and acquaintances and contacts will be constantly vetted.
I can only think members of the RF, like PC and PA ignore the advice

The Norwegian Crown Princess Mette-Marit has also had to formally apologise for her connections with Epstein - she met with him several times between 2011 and 2013, including once at his house in New York, all after his conviction. She said “"I should have investigated his past more thoroughly, and I am sorry that I didn't”.

I think hindsight is, as ever, a wonderful thing here. Predators like Epstein obviously are superficially charming and manage to make the most of their links to the establishment so that they come across as respectable. The people that Epstein was socialising with - the Trumps, Clintons, Dershowitzs, Ken Starrs, Stephen Hawkings (all of whom have been seen in his company) obviously gave him an aura that concealed the sordid truth. He was known as a money manager too - it’s not like these people were dealing with someone who was simply a celebrity paedophile.

People said of Bernie Madoff, who fleeced so many of the rich and powerful of millions: “I would have felt lucky, even proud, to do business with Bernie. He didn’t let just anyone into the circle. You had to know somebody, and even then you had to be allowed to invest with Bernie”.

It is of course comforting to look at something after the event and be quite sure you’d never fall for it. We’re all humans though, and all susceptible.

Don't see how they could not have known.

It was reported that just before her death, Diana quietly went around to the victims and took notes. They kept an eye on her, so likely to have wanted to know what she was up to.

Either way, the rf has a knack for covering for sexual assaults. Last year the hactivist group Anonymous, put together all the articles about them over the years.

twitter.com/OpDeathEaters/status/1152143080901865472?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1152143080901865472%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.republicworld.com%2Fentertainment-news%2Fhollywood-news%2Famerican-hacker-group-opens-up-about-princess-dianas-death.html

I think he was manipulated by them and has a poor judge of character

He has an army of staff whose job is to research and advise him.
Savile's activities were an open secret and it's beyond incredible that no-one in his his household knew of the rumours. Whether any of the the royals choose to listen is another matter.

I have just read that the High Court have accepted the request for VG’s legal team to formally contact PA with regards to the service of papers under The Hague Service Convention, as the judge in the US has accepted that PA had not been properly served and gave her legal team a week to properly serve.
This proves that he was completely evading service.
Still wondering if Porridge thinks I am letting my ‘prejudice’ getting in the way of the truth now…...
news.sky.com/story/prince-andrew-high-court-accepts-virginia-giuffres-request-to-formally-contact-duke-over-alleged-sexual-assault-case-12408688

I'm not sure this could start to look worse for Andrew tbh.

So now the High Court of England is involved in this utter debacle. As my Presbyterian granny would have gasped, hand clutched to her throat, 'Oh deary, deary me! The shame.'

I agree @SpindleWhorl and my granny would be exactly the same!

Actually the NY judge telling Ms Robert’s lawyers that the mode of service they decided to use to serve the defendant did not meet the rules set out in NY shows that they stuffed up, rather than that Prince Andrew did anything wrong (the NY lawyers are the ones best placed to know what their own rules require, after all) but don’t let the facts get in the way of your story….

(There are several Hague Conventions, all aimed at resolving legal matters that often crop up in international disputes. Under them, local courts are empowered to make orders in line with what the Convention signatories have agreed. This is, again, not unusual).

@dontyouwish2
I remember that about Diana

He has an army of staff whose job is to research and advise him.
Savile's activities were an open secret and it's beyond incredible that no-one in his his household knew of the rumours. Whether any of the the royals choose to listen is another matter

This exactly.
You have special intel at your disposal. Whether you listen to it is another matter...

PA obviously didn't given he predilection for despots and paedophiles

Oops sorry repeated that good post too much!

Wow, you’re actually trying to convince us that Prince Andrew has done no wrong and not made it difficult in any way for VG’s team to properly serve papers Serenster? Everyone agrees that he has evaded service, have you not seen the news this week? He needs to put his big boy pants on and face up to things. Whether or not he has done anything to be sued for.

I think the NY judge told Andrew through his legal team to stop messing about, and now he's making absolutely sure that this service is happening.

And I'm paying for this shitshow through the Queen's pocket money? Ffs.

Fabulous legal spin there @Serenster.

Defendant runs away and refuses to accept service and is then forced by a high court to accept service and face the music anyway, but it's the plaintiff's lawyers who "stuffed up" 😂

I might cancel netflix this winter, this is even better than the Last Kingdom.

Surely it's possible that Andrew's doing his best to avoid the lawyers and that the lawyers made a hash of something?

The two aren't necessarily mutually exclusive, but IMO it really doesn't matter what they do - I honestly don't believe he'll ever cooperate, and "he did/no he didn't" will just grind on and on

And now the Chair of the Prince's Foundation, Charles's umbrella group for his charities, has resigned over the cash for access allegations

No doubt the prince "knew nothing about this" either, but I suppose it's nice that at least one person around him has some integrity ... somehow I doubt he learned it from the boss

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-58574250

@MummyJ12
Still wondering if Porridge thinks I am letting my ‘prejudice’ getting in the way of the truth now…...

I stand by what I said. VRGs lawyers considered the papers were served so they were not trying to serve the papers. So PA could not have been trying to avoid service by going to Scotland, where he goes every summer, because no one was trying to serve him.