The "Royal Racist"

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The discussion is still rumbling on...
Over on the Daily Mail site there's yet another article about whether H&M will name names.
This I found was interestingly written as it only seems to mention one other family member...

[quote smilesy]**@Viviennemary* and @Itsthepitstoo*. I have just rad the relevant bit in the whole transcript and I agree she mentions the “George V or George VI” (sic) patents, but she then goes in about him not having security because he was not going to be a Prince. It was not clear what she meant or when she thought it would apply. It definitely sounds as though she is implying that he would not receive security from the word go because he was not a “Prince”. If they had remained in this country, then he would have received the same security as his parents.[/quote]
No, she was claiming that Harry had been informed that the rules would change and both Archie would then not become a Prince and also Archie, Harry and Meghan would not continue to receive security.

She claimed they were told these things would change.

@PicsInRed. Why would they be told they would no longer receive security at the point when Archie was born? They were still working royals at that time. Their security was only withdrawn after they left the country and stepped down. Like I said, it is not clear what she meant, which is what pp had claimed.

Sorry, meant to say that they would have received security in the future in the same way that other senior royals do now, presumably when working in the monarch’s behalf.

I don't think they properly understood the security issue - remember they announced they were 'internationally protected persons', so would always be entitled to security wherever they were in the world. That sort of comment naturally irritates people - especially those (like the Canadians) who are expected to fork out for it.

@ajandjjmum. I agree. Harry seemed to assume that because he is a Prince he would always receive security. Not sure why he thought this as his aunts and uncles, as children of the monarch, do not unless they are working.

"The claim was that the rules were to be changed to prevent Archie ever being Prince Archie."

I think that that may have some truth in it to the extent that PC has wanted to slim down the monarchy for a while & may have intended for only those in direct line to be Prince/Princess & not automatically all of his GC.

So not a snub at Archie personally.

It would have been fantastic to see mixed race children with royal titles. Although I strongly believe in slimming down the monarchy, I think it would have been great for our society to have had mixed race princes and princesses.

I agree, it would have been nice to have a Prince Archie and Princess Lillibet. Such cute names toom

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So not a snub at Archie personally

And this is the problem. They framed it as a personal snub to them and their child and left the 'why' wide open. Its obvious they meant to imply its because of her race.

Harry knows, full well PC has been talking about reducing how many people get titles. Long before Meghan ever knew Harry.

I just can't get my head round why he supported the inplicatoon race was a factor. I do think Meghan, genuinely believes it.

So why hasn't Harry ever told her that. It appears he has and she doesn't believe him and just said she believes it a race issue, with all evidence to the contrary.

Or Harry hasn't been clear or maybe, even, led her in the direction that it was race related.

It just doesn't make sense.

You seem to assume him telling her about it would cause her to be even more suicidal? Why do you make that assumption?

If I, a mixed race person suffering from deep depressions and feel suicidal, was told the family I had married into, given up my life in another country to join, worked for etc were 'raising concerns' about the colour if my child's skin, I could easily see how it making me worse. What a time to realise you have made the biggest mistake of your life.

He was absolutely right to not keep this from her and blaming him for her feeling suicidal is ridiculous.

Yes, she had a right to know. Before she married him. Before she had gone through with the wedding and was a working Royal and pregnant with their child.

She also had a right to know wheb it was said. But it appears hewaanr honest about when it happened either. Probably because he knew he should have already told her.

@Hekatestorch

So not a snub at Archie personally

And this is the problem. They framed it as a personal snub to them and their child and left the 'why' wide open. Its obvious they meant to imply its because of her race.

Harry knows, full well PC has been talking about reducing how many people get titles. Long before Meghan ever knew Harry.

I just can't get my head round why he supported the inplicatoon race was a factor. I do think Meghan, genuinely believes it.

So why hasn't Harry ever told her that. It appears he has and she doesn't believe him and just said she believes it a race issue, with all evidence to the contrary.

Or Harry hasn't been clear or maybe, even, led her in the direction that it was race related.

It just doesn't make sense.

I can see why PC wants to slim it all down, but it really does delineate between William & his family & Harry & his.

With PC only having the two sons you can see why he would have wanted them both to do Royal duties & support him.

But I think that Harry's children doing Royal duties was perhaps never likely & even Harry himself-how long before if William took over he might have wantted just his own kids?

They really do all need careers to fall back onto!

So why hasn't Harry ever told her that. It appears he has and she doesn't believe him and just said she believes it a race issue, with all evidence to the contrary

There are other things that she didn't seem to know or understand, like you need to curtsy to the queen. She found that garden party boring and wanted to leave early (she thought an appearance and a few photos was enough) I just don't think she was given the full picture.

I think Harry was smitten and down played everything, he was so scared she'd bolt like his other GF's and he probably hoped her existing fame meant she'd cope.

But being a member of the RF is so drab, boring and a life of standing around in damp buildings talking to strangers, smiling and taking all the crap & judgement dished out by the press, I just think she believes she's better than that, she wasn't born into it why should she stick around when California is home.

She found that garden party boring and wanted to leave early

That's not necessarily true. All we know is that she left early with Harry. Yes it caused some raised eyebrows at the time (because it was unusual, and normally only incapacitation would cut someone's presence short)l. But we've never been told why

I do get a bit fed up with this narrative they just have to attend damp buildings and talk to strangers.

I'm reading (again) all about the RF and visits and it really isn't that bad. Never having to wait anywhere, never having to get stuck in traffic or worry you are late, never having to grab a coffee or miss lunch, never having to stay up late the night before to learn about the place you are visiting because an aide gives you all the information, probably in bullet points, ... it's not exactly hard is it?

From the time you wake up and a valet has prepared your clothes to the time you get driven home, or helicoptered... you are pampered and looked after...

I really don't think we should be piling on the sympathy for the visits the RF do given how easy it all is...

I think Harry was smitten and down played everything, he was so scared she'd bolt like his other GF's and he probably hoped her existing fame meant she'd cope

I totally agree with this. That’s why he was so annoyed with W for suggesting they take things slowly imo.

I really don't think we should be piling on the sympathy for the visits the RF do given how easy it all is...

I agree and the bit about "attend damp buildings and talk to strangers" made me laugh. Quite right.

They really do all need careers to fall back onto!

Absolutely and as time went on, Harrys role, and that of his wife and children were always going to be less and less significant.

By the time George is king, Archie and Lillibet would have been cousin to the King. Unless they were very close, they would not have been a hugely important Royal.

I can see why PC wants to slim it all down, but it really does delineate between William & his family & Harry & his.

Yes it would. But that will happen whenever it's paired down. And believe it must to survive. And Harry, has to have know about this, long before he met Meghan. Which suggests it had nothing to do with Meghans race.

@summercupcake I agree, I think he hid alot. But then, lots of people knew she would curtesy to the Queen and were shocked she didn't know. I do wonder if she got so wrapped up in the California celebrity life, she assumed non of this really happened heind closed doors.

But then her claim she knew nothing about him is just bonkers. Not sure anyone believed that. So do think she is also trying to spin things. It's very clear she did know a fair bit about the Royal family before meeting him.

As I said before, I think them leaving was tbe best thing for them. But I do think they seem to be not really thinking about the things they are saying, before saying them.

@TheOneDropRuleIsRacist

I know! I remember PAnne opening up a new wastewater treatment plant and posters on a thread in the past were going on about how admirable it was and how stoic she is.

Well... when mine were little I remember taking a group from primary school to a sewage works... now that was hard.... Keep together! Don't lean over, stay here!
p.s. They loved it and you can imagine the questions!

Oh goodness! I know what you mean. Don't get me started on the adulation. They'd get a clap and an "Amazing! Aren't they the best?!" for using the loo if it were televised too.

@Roussette. I agree that the Royals can hardly be said to have a hard life. However I do think that M must have been disappointed when she found out that it was not as glamorous as she imagined or was led to believe it would be. You really are trading quite a lot of your freedom for the trappings of Royalty and it really isn’t the same as being an A list celebrity.

I think that’s why the publics tolerance of H&M is wearing thin when they have a life of privilege especially after the utter devastation covid has cost us

They're not doing anything for it to wear thin... their 'life of privilege' as you call it, is now self funded
And what covid has to do with them, I don't know

Ok perhaps I should have been clearer. Perhaps you’re being deliberately obtuse I get you’re a fan of them yet Andrew had done worse etc.. 🤣 watching the Oprah interview and complaining about your own father on national tv. For example

It's nothing to do with being a fan of them, I just didn't get your post with covid and all of that.
The OW interview... the father complained about his father in an interview so no different!