The "Royal Racist"

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The discussion is still rumbling on...
Over on the Daily Mail site there's yet another article about whether H&M will name names.
This I found was interestingly written as it only seems to mention one other family member...

The RF need to show what the RF need to show.

There is little accountability

@Zuluqueen oh yes

And being referred to as "the showgirl"

I've been here too long. Lots of posts disputing me saying it was demeaning

Zuluqueen: By the way if we are to applaud William for warning his brother Harry for helping and advising him about that girl( Meghan) , do we also believe and applaud him for calling her that bloody woman & for Kate not trusting/ liking M from the beginning?. What chance did Meghan have if we are to applaud and believe these?
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I didn't know William said that or that Kate never trusted Meghan. Where did you find that?

@Plumtree391

Zuluqueen: By the way if we are to applaud William for warning his brother Harry for helping and advising him about that girl( Meghan) , do we also believe and applaud him for calling her that bloody woman & for Kate not trusting/ liking M from the beginning?. What chance did Meghan have if we are to applaud and believe these? .... I didn't know William said that or that Kate never trusted Meghan. Where did you find that?

Think this was from one Robert Lacey’s book. ( Battle of Brothers). I didn’t read the book just updated newspaper excepts from the book. Btw HaM didn’t sure him.

@Zuluqueen

Who said they took words of advice & help and and twisted them into racism?. Meghan said that? Harry? . I don’t know a POC who wants or likes to be referred as a girl or boy by a white person to be honest. Being callled boy or girl is always followed by demeaning statements or racist worlds or worse. So I wouldn’t have blamed Meghan if she had been miffed at her fiancé being warned of being warned to be careful of ‘this girl’.

By the way if we are to applaud William for warning his brother Harry for helping and advising him about that girl( Meghan) , do we also believe and applaud him for calling her that bloody woman & for Kate not trusting/ liking M from the beginning?. What chance did Meghan have if we are to applaud and believe these?

This.

Oh I haven't read that, neither have I heard of it. I'd take it with a pinch of salt, it doesn't ring true to me.

I can't imagine William co-operating on the writing of a book like that, frankly. The title alone would be enough to put anyone off.

Lacey has obviously been talking to, 'Sources Close to'.

I found this:

Think this was from one Robert Lacey’s book. ( Battle of Brothers). I didn’t read the book just updated newspaper excepts from the book. Btw HaM didn’t sure him.

You are quite correct they did not sue him, nor the other 9 writers who had books out in the last few years, including Angela L and Lady C.

Strangely @Plumtree391 I think that video was the most accurate. At some point Lacey, of course changed his tune, seeing as to it that the money to be made is to be against H&M.

Even in his later additions he does map out that H&M were so disrespected that as Senior royals, they still had to have shouting matches with their staff (who has a shouting match with their boss, because you would be fired for insubordination normally) and were called names that went into the press and general public.

It's all horrible, I hate to think of those two brothers being at loggerheads. The press and books do not help the situation wth all their hints and hearsay. Sheesh! Doesn't it make you glad not to be famous?

I think William has done the right thing to distance himself from them. How can they be trusted in future not to go running off to Oprah again with their grievances.

@Rousette

Well, it wasn't said to Meghan, it was said to Harry before they got engaged. I think it's rather unlikely that anyone told him his continued status as a working royal was conditioned upon producing white-looking children, especially since he's said it wasn't the Queen and no one else would have the authority to change his status. Aside from that, I don't see any way of linking it to employment. We don't know who said it, and most family members aren't full-time royals - nothing Princess Michael says will be employment-related, by definition. Even the ones that are don't usually work directly with Harry, so I'm having a hard time envisioning the work-related context in which this would come up. Maybe there's some bizarre set of circumstances in which it might be, but because they've chosen not to give us any information that might be useful in determining that, I'm not inclined to give them the benefit of doubt on that ... especially since they haven't claimed it.

@Zuluqueen

Meghan can cry about whatever she wants to whomever she wants. But if someone is focused on actually solving the supposed problem rather than just gaining sympathy or getting revenge, they're not going to cry about it in the media without even attempting to first address it with the other person involved. That's true whether the subject matter is racism or anything else. And once it's been made clear that someone's primary goal is to garner sympathy rather than to accomplish anything productive, of course people are less likely to believe them. That, too, is true of any subject matter, not just racism.

@dontyouwish2

Strangely *@Plumtree391* I think that video was the most accurate. At some point Lacey, of course changed his tune, seeing as to it that the money to be made is to be against H&M.

Even in his later additions he does map out that H&M were so disrespected that as Senior royals, they still had to have shouting matches with their staff (who has a shouting match with their boss, because you would be fired for insubordination normally) and were called names that went into the press and general public.

Someone who's so fed up with their boss that they don't care if they get fired or not. If you've never had such a boss, consider yourself lucky. When that many subordinates have that big a problem with their boss, the problem is usually the boss, not the subordinates. That's even more true when the subordinates have worked for multiple other people in the same capacity with no issues.

@Viviennemary

I think William has done the right thing to distance himself from them. How can they be trusted in future not to go running off to Oprah again with their grievances.

Has he distanced himself from them? They are geographically distanced of course but we have no reason to suppose they've fallen out apart from media rumours.

Purple Sorry, I,m a bit lost on your post to me or what it is referring to that I posted.

I did make the point that... as quick as the RF appeared to jump to investigate reports of bullying by Meghan, they should be jumping to investigate reports of racism.

I don’t know a POC who wants or likes to be referred as a girl or boy by a white person to be honest. Being callled boy or girl is always followed by demeaning statements or racist worlds or worse. So I wouldn’t have blamed Meghan if she had been miffed at her fiancé being warned of being warned to be careful of ‘this girl’

Harry called Meghan “this girl” in their engagement interview. As ever, context is everything. At the time Harry and William had this conversation, they were still extremely close brothers.

Roussette, the racism allegation was, so far as we are away, directed at a conversation with a family member, not something that arose in a employer/employee relationship. It’s certainly not at all normal to call in an independent law firm to investigate an allegation about a conversation held between two family members!

As you say context is everything. " I lovethis girl" is totally different to "be careful of this girl"

Someone who's so fed up with their boss that they don't care if they get fired or not. If you've never had such a boss, consider yourself lucky. When that many subordinates have that big a problem with their boss, the problem is usually the boss, not the subordinates. That's even more true when the subordinates have worked for multiple other people in the same capacity with no issues.

Or maybe chancers who have been encouraged by the organisation to disrespect that boss, knowing they will not be fired if they speak in any manner. Perhaps even concluding that they have done the job for years and the boss is new to this organisation, so they can walk all over her.

@PurpleOkapi you were answering my post not @Roussette.

It is work related, because a baby's colour has nothing to do with anything regarding family. It has no effect. The concern was at his capacity as prince. As H&M said, what it means and the implication of him being prince. That is the crown, work related. The family members are also employees, even if part time. The ones who would suffer damage are the full time employees to top it off.

As I said, the MH issue should also have been investigated as it more straight forward as employee related as it was addressed to the HR.

As for discussing the issue to solve it at home, they did address the fact that they were not listened to. To top it off, the said later the discussions were not productive. Does not sound like people who are ready to listen to me.

It is work related, because a baby's colour has nothing to do with anything regarding family. It has no effect. The concern was at his capacity as prince

I didn’t understand it like this at all. I understood that as Harry’s conversation with whoever was before they were even married. It was just speculation over what any baby would be like. Family’s do this all the time. The Prince thing was after Archie was born. I can’t see how that’s “work” related. I think you have put two and two together and got five 🤷‍♀️

You have been on this thread throughout, so strange that you don't recall MM saying there were several discussions, in tandem with the Prince titles. Why else would the family be concerned about his skin colour anyway.

Well the problem is, we don’t know if they were “concerned” or just mentioned it or what. Harry only mentioned one incident. He was the one that heard it. I don’t know. I wasn’t there. Neither were you. The whole thing is just “he said, she said.”

Harry was there, listening to the person. I think he is well placed to decide more than us, and he called it concern.

The whole thing is just “he said, she said.”

It’s not even that because they aren’t sharing who said it nor what was said.

Concern at a forthcoming baby's skin colour is vile
Surely no one can disagree with that

When that many subordinates have that big a problem with their boss, the problem is usually the boss, not the subordinates

A worthwhile truism to bear in mind, which applies whether it's H&M, Charles and his platoons of departed staff or Joe Bloggs who runs the corner shop down the road

I'm also not sure how "shouting matches" are ever appropriate no matter who the boss is. IME, once someone starts that it's over anyway ... if the target's in no position to answer back the shouter loses, and if they were just being confrontational in the first place there's no point giving them oxygen