The "Royal Racist"

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The discussion is still rumbling on...
Over on the Daily Mail site there's yet another article about whether H&M will name names.
This I found was interestingly written as it only seems to mention one other family member...

When that many subordinates have that big a problem with their boss, the problem is usually the boss, not the subordinates

Very strange to have someone work for well over a decade, and everyone who works with them call them a very nice person (I believe a sweetheart was used). You move to a toxic environment where people brief against you and suddenly you care called a tyrant. Absolutely no one before or after his has has not praised MM working ethics.

Absolutely no one before or after his has has not praised MM working ethics

^^ Totally this.

@Roussette. I agree. If it was “concern”. But as we don’t know what was said, we can’t say it was “concern”. That why we need to know what was said and by whom.

@dontyouwish2

Harry was there, listening to the person. I think he is well placed to decide more than us, and he called it concern.

No he didn’t. He never used the word concern.

Meghan said there were “concerns and conversations about how dark his skin might be when he’s born”.

@Roussette

Absolutely no one before or after his has has not praised MM working ethics

^^ Totally this.

Her relative power position had completely changed though - from being part of an ensemble cast where she had to work and cooperate with producers, directors, higher profile co-stars, sponsors etc etc where being charming, accommodating and always saying yes was absolutely necessary to developing her career. She then became a “Principal”in the Royal family with people literally bowing and curtsying to her, her own staff, security, and adulation everywhere she went.

I don’t know her personally obviously, so I don’t know if she changed. I can say however that if you have never seen an increase power and status change someone’s behaviour, then you can’t have worked in enough hierarchical structures!

@Roussette

Concern at a forthcoming baby's skin colour is vile Surely no one can disagree with that

Lol just doing a countdown for this thread to be full. It’s been a lot.

Very strange to have someone work for well over a decade, and everyone who works with them call them a very nice person ...

Not quite; in fairness we can't possibly know if these are true either, but there's been plenty of coverage of criticism with words like "diva" and "attitude" used

For all I know they could all have been jealous rivals or even co-opted by the palace to spill some dirt, but if we're sticking to the facts it's a bit off to suggest "everyone's" called her a very nice person

She was in the first four credits, part of the main cast. We know of actors who have shown their bullying to the support staff that they feel are beneath them - eg. runners, make up, wardrobe, junior producers (I am thinking of Jeremy Clarkson). Infact her position was later described to be that she could make requests with her role and flexibility with hours etc. We have heard of actors strop on set as there are always people with lower positions than them.

A diva is a diva, they cannot suppress it for years like that.

She now has all those things you say, and yet no one who has worked with her outside of the palace sources have ever complained.

smilesy
No we don't. They'd be annihilated if they named names.

Agree @dontyouwish2
In fact quite the opposite.
Colleagues have gone out of their way to praise her.
It's a bitter pill to swallow but she really does appear to be well liked

So are you saying the various employees at the Palace who left rather than continue working for her are liars, then? Or out and out racists? Or workshy, poor performers? I’m genuinely interested to hear the stinging critiques you obviously have about private citizens, some with excellent and completely unblemished careers themselves, who have absolutely ability to publicly defend themselves?

Two left to join Archewell. I've not seen anyone speak out about her 'bullying'.
I think it was a smear campaign. Just seems odd that there's never been a whiff of that before.
I'm not lobbing 'stinging critiques' at anyone

lso it is normal for people to move and leave when a new boss joins. Different fit, different ideals, different way of working etc

@Serenster

So are you saying the various employees at the Palace who left rather than continue working for her are liars, then? Or out and out racists? Or workshy, poor performers? I’m genuinely interested to hear the stinging critiques you obviously have about private citizens, some with excellent and completely unblemished careers themselves, who have absolutely ability to publicly defend themselves?

Not too sure what you are referring to. But I know this: The two employees that JK said were bullied in his report, one was dismissed for unprofessional conduct and another was a nanny who worked as a PA, doing a job she could not do.

The list of employees that Dan Wootton and the red tops provided, saying they were not happy to work with MM was a lie. They were later discovered to have been shuffled around and promoted within H&M charities and SR. Some moved to Travelyst and Archewell.

One senior joined a board for an environmental company and said she would still work with them at an advisory role. Another came back to help with the exit negotiations. Another was seen smiling and helping them when Harry was in Abbey Road.

So, in terms of staff members who we know left in the 18 months they were working Royals, we have:

Natalie Campbell - Diversity Director
Samantha Cohen - Private Secretary
Jason Knauf -Senior Communications Secretary (we know he spoke out about her “bullying”)
Amy Pickerill - Assistant Private Secretary
Melissa Touabti - PA
Katrina McKeever - Senior Comms Secretary
Female Royal Protection Officer
Two unnamed nannies

That’s nine. To misquote Oscar Wilde, to lose one or two employees may be regarded as a misfortune; to lose nine looks like….well, in any reputable HR team that would be a red flag that something is not right in that particular area.

You are muddling people who worked for them as Royals and people who worked for Archewell there, @dontyouwish2.

But you are rather proving my point - you are clearly happy to defame and slur private individuals about whom you know nothing at all because you can’t tolerate the thought that there might be at least some shared fault here.

At the top of my head.

Natalie Campbell left when they moved to Canada and is now CEO of her own company.

Samantha Cohen had preplanned to leave and extended for a few months to help the couple settle in their new role.

Jason Knauf was forced on them (and is Dan Wotton friend who seems to have been feeding the media, and made the bullying claim), he went back to the Cambridges - whom he is now leaving.

Amy Pickeril, another one who was said to be staying only to help MM transition from Canada to the UK. She was already set to leave and delayed it till after Archie's birth. Which she did and said they would remain in touch with her as an advisor.

Melissa Toubatti and Katrina McKeer are hinted as the ones in the middle of the bullying scandal. What we know is that one of them went back to being a nanny and one is said to have left for gross misconduct. But I cannot be sure.

The protection officer, the Met put out a statement that the officer made plans to resign already for family matters.

A nanny was a temp. Then another unsubstantiated was said to have done something unprofessional and had to be let go (though I believe this was in ff, so not sure)

I should quickly add that the two women I mentioned as hinted on the bullying claim are or are not correctly named as they never wanted anything to do with this claim, so were never named. This is just speculation out there.

It is true that Melissa Toubatti did go back to being a nanny. My understanding was that a nanny was dismissed as being unprofessional, it could well be one and the same person.

There was a story Katrena McKeever being quiting, but there is also another version that says she left in good terms, with flowers and handwritten notes from H&M and just moved to greener pastures.

Gosh, it’s amazing you know so much about all these people! There’s never been any details about Melissa Touabti’s career online, for example, and she’s not on Linked In, so where have you got this information from?

(“Resigning for family matters” - that did make me smile. A very overused formula to explain people leaving often for other reasons entirely!)

“Resigning for family matters” - that did make me smile. A very overused formula to explain people leaving often for other reasons entirely!

So are "they were only ever temporary / were already planning to leave" and the like - they've been used time and again when someone in RF service leaves, and not just with H&M

They were reported as already given their notice, but agreed to stay on and help MM settle in. Most were said to have agreed to a 6 month extension, but stayed on longer.

Melissa now works for Natalie Livingstone of the Clivenden billionaire. She was Robbie Williams children nanny (and I think for Madonna children too).

Maybe that's why RW's daughter was a bridesmaid for M&H, I did wonder how they knew each other

@Roussette

Maybe that's why RW's daughter was a bridesmaid for M&H, I did wonder how they knew each other

She wasn’t