The "Royal Racist"

[GrimDamnFanjo]

The discussion is still rumbling on...
Over on the Daily Mail site there's yet another article about whether H&M will name names.
This I found was interestingly written as it only seems to mention one other family member...

@TheOneDropRuleIsRacist

An excerpt from on either the links:

In 2018, Zendaya, a biracial model and actress said, “I am Hollywood’s, I guess you could say, acceptable version of a Black girl and that has to change.” Understanding that Hollywood would cast her over a darker-skinned Black person, Zendaya said that she only takes roles for white or biracial characters, leaving room for Black people to play Black characters.

While Zendaya understands she’s preferred because of her proximity to whiteness, other people within the Black community won’t acknowledge this preference.

This conversation is ongoing whether you choose to acknowledge it or not. We are all humans fighting a battle but when you choose to ignore those screaming from under, you must be benefiting somehow.

But this is about shadism (skin colour and related features).

So you are confusing me as to what you see the issue is when you speak about black people. What makes a black person a real black person? Please define a true black person who is then worthy of representing black people.

Do what’s your point? That therefore what was said isn’t racist or could not be racist?

The skin colour question was apparently raised more than once. Harry relaid it to his wife. They, knowing the family situation better than you or I and a better grasp of the context, saw it as racist.

Are you one of these people who tell victims of racism that they have no right to describe their experience the way they do and that your interpretation is more valid than theirs?

Oh goodness. Please read the links and read what I wrote carefully. Have answered you a few times. I've also said you can google more for yourself. At this point, I'm repeating myself with you. Thank you.

@TheOneDropRuleIsRacist

Oh goodness. Please read the links and read what I wrote carefully. Have answered you a few times. I've also said you can google more for yourself. At this point, I'm repeating myself with you. Thank you.

In other words you cannot articulate an answer to my questions. Thank you.

I’m well acquainted with the debates.

@Why2why

Do what’s your point? That therefore what was said isn’t racist or could not be racist?

The skin colour question was apparently raised more than once. Harry relaid it to his wife. They, knowing the family situation better than you or I and a better grasp of the context, saw it as racist.

Are you one of these people who tell victims of racism that they have no right to describe their experience the way they do and that your interpretation is more valid than theirs?

I think you're plucking things from nowwhere at this point and reaching so much just to feel outraged. My comments have nothing to do with what you've posted at all and if you won't bother to read them properly or the links, but would rather throw unnecessarily nasty accusations like being similar to the "German guy" and not allowing victims of racism right to describe their experience, then there's nothing more to be said.

I only pointed out the comment where another pp unknowingly used racist language to describe a mixed race woman especially when she doesn't do so herself. If you choose to do so, that's on you.

In other words you cannot articulate an answer to my questions..

I have but you've ignored them.

Just like you've ignored me telling you a few times that I have. Seems to be a circle with you.

Well I'm guessing not Charles as they wouldn't have then taken his money to live on.

A lot of the fallout from Harry & William does seem to go back to the conversation about William telling Harry to slow down & take his time.

@OverweightPidgeon

I think Harry is so bitter about losing his mum ( understandably) that it has leaked into all aspects of his life and he is lashing out at anyone and everyone.

Lots of kids loose a parent, but they don't behave like H.
Admittedly his loss was very high profile, and caused by the paparazzi, but it was a long time ago now, and he's had a lot of therapy, which most kids in that situation wouldn't be able to afford.

From recent threads about mehan and Harry, I found out william was not tgr best man initially. Everyone in the country assumed willam was. However, from what I read, two weeks before the weeding william not knowing was actually true and not tongue and check not knowing.

I don't think william was very happy with the relationship. He also seems to be the one person harry has fallen out with the most. I don't even think prince Charlie is the problem.

To other people questioning and questing who the racist is, most hurt comes from those uou expected better off. All the racist we already know. It the closet racist we worry most about. They act narcissistic..

Thought I posted this here. All divisions of racism.

www.google.com/amp/s/inews.co.uk/opinion/colourism-darker-skinned-people-treated-differently-psychological-impact-581141/amp

First, we do not know if any of it is true.
What we do know, is what was reported by H&M on the Oprah Winfrey show.
Someone in the Royal Family said something to PH, before Meghan was pregnant, which was repeated by PH to Meghan (or summarised, or even made up) when she was pregnant with Archie - and apparently suicidal.
We do not know who the person in the RF was (said by PH not to be the Queen or PP), or what was said, or whether he accurately reported it to Meghan, or even if it was said at all. Even then, there could be differences according to the tone, and manner in which whatever was said.
If PH thought it was racist why did he report it to Meghan, at a time when she was suicidal? This seems a bit cruel, or maybe he did not perceive it to be racist.

Why would Harry make it up?

I understood it that there was more than one conversation. She said, around the same time there were conversations about.......... it is my belief that there was one particular conversation (probably the first one) that stuck with Harry where he says he will never forget it.

Also, another pp seems to think this was about Archie being a prince currently, but she made it clear that it was about when PC would be king that the rule would be changed.

This below is a transcript from the interview. I don’t think she made it clear that it was when PC would be king. Also in the epilogue to Finding Freedom, Scobie claims that they did want a title for Archie, but the palace issued a statement saying that they didn’t 🤷‍♀️

*“Meghan said the palace decreed that Archie — who turns 2 in May — would not have any title, a move she says was "different from protocol."

"They didn't want him to be a prince . . . which would be different from protocol, and that he wasn't going to receive security," she told Oprah.

What's more, she said, "we have in tandem the conversation of, 'He won't be given security. He's not going to be given a title”*

@milveycrohn

First, we do not know if any of it is true. What we do know, is what was reported by H&M on the Oprah Winfrey show. Someone in the Royal Family said something to PH, before Meghan was pregnant, which was repeated by PH to Meghan (or summarised, or even made up) when she was pregnant with Archie - and apparently suicidal. We do not know who the person in the RF was (said by PH not to be the Queen or PP), or what was said, or whether he accurately reported it to Meghan, or even if it was said at all. Even then, there could be differences according to the tone, and manner in which whatever was said. If PH thought it was racist why did he report it to Meghan, at a time when she was suicidal? This seems a bit cruel, or maybe he did not perceive it to be racist.

You seem to assume him telling her about it would cause her to be even more suicidal? Why do you make that assumption?

He was absolutely right to not keep this from her and blaming him for her feeling suicidal is ridiculous.

What you should be concentrating on is the problem of a Royal Family who allegedly had this racist concerns. Stop focusing on the victims are questioning whether they have the mental capacity to understand and interpret what has happened to them.

She quoted the patens, so she was talking about the future.

That is not a transcript of the interview.
Also, Scobie wrote his own thing in the book, not all facts, just info he gathered. He talked about an engagement in Africa etc. He may have met Meghan once or twice. Only difference is that he is not constantly shading the pair.

According to MM, they were never asked about the titles, it was just decided and announced.

Erm, the quote was directly from what was said in the interview afaik 🤷‍♀️ Do you have a quote from there where it was clear that M was referring to the future? Happy to be corrected.

I do find the missteps of H&M frustrating and pretty cringe at times; but I can believe that a hell of a lot of duplicity emanates from the Palace(s).

I think Harry did hear a remark about any future babies' skin colour. I also think that in not naming the 'culprit', as it were, he's trying to prod them to own up. Hence the comments about wanting the Royal Family not 'owning it'. Harry, or possibly Harry and Meghan, want a public mea culpa.

She definitely referred to the George V patents. Which states that Archie would be prince when PC becomes king as he would be the grandchild of a ruling monarch, so that's in the future, not now.

Hence the comments about wanting the Royal Family to 'own it'. Harry, or possibly Harry and Meghan, want a public mea culpa.

Sorry that got mangled first time! ^^

I agree that they wanted the rf to own up. Instead all they got was a spineless 'recollections may vary' and not much of an explanation. Obviously the rf know who it is.

It's better coming from the person so that they explain themselves. It's a bit like when someone sees somebody cheating and say to them, you tell her or I will, in a way.

Can we please stop repeating the allegation that Archie would not have been entitled to security because he didn’t have a title. The level of security is about the level of risk, as assessed by the Met. Hence Prince Edward has a title but minimal security.

@Gilmorehill

Can we please stop repeating the allegation that Archie would not have been entitled to security because he didn’t have a title. The level of security is about the level of risk, as assessed by the Met. Hence Prince Edward has a title but minimal security.

They didn't claim that was how it should work or is supposed to work, they claimed that they were informed that security would now follow from title and that Archie would not be "Prince" when Charles ascended the throne, as should have been the case by the George V patents, and therefore Archie would not receive security.

The claim was that the rules were to be changed to prevent Archie ever being Prince Archie.

I agree that titles arent linked to security as such. But I do think there were talks afoot to change the rules so Archie wouldn't be a prince after Charles becomes king. And that was what was meant. But it was unclear. Charles has been talking for decades about a slimmed down monarchy. He didnt want Beatrice and Eugenie to have an official role or security. And I bet he wishes they didn't have titles. Be interesting to see if Lady Louise chooses to be styled Princess when she is 18.

@Viviennemary and @Itsthepitstoo. I have just rad the relevant bit in the whole transcript and I agree she mentions the “George V or George VI” (sic) patents, but she then goes in about him not having security because he was not going to be a Prince. It was not clear what she meant or when she thought it would apply. It definitely sounds as though she is implying that he would not receive security from the word go because he was not a “Prince”. If they had remained in this country, then he would have received the same security as his parents.