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The royal family

The "Royal Racist"

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GrimDamnFanjo · 26/08/2021 15:34

The discussion is still rumbling on...
Over on the Daily Mail site there's yet another article about whether H&M will name names.
This I found was interestingly written as it only seems to mention one other family member...

OP posts:
Alternista · 29/08/2021 17:08

@Hekatestorch

I am mixed race and both sides of my family wondered who my babies would take after. Absolutely wasn't racisim. Would the baby have my dark hair or their fathers lighter hair? My hair is straighter than their fathers, so we all wondered what their hair texture would be like.

All my friends of all colours had the same conversations. Regardless of the colour of their partner. Why would mixed couples not have the same conversation.

If someone tells me they heard a 'racist comment' then turns out they didn't, someone else told them about it. And then and the someone and them. Then couldn't even agree on when it happened, no I am not going to believe them. I am going to think that something isn't quite right. Especially, if they say a load of other stuff that isn't and has been twisted to suit their agenda.

Like archie wasn't ever going to be a prince. Harry's children weren't going to be. Due to them not understanding that (which baffles me) they decided to reject any other title. So it was reported they chose not to give him a title, which is true. They claimed he was blocked from having one. The Royal media team wasn't going to report 'they have rejected a title because they believe he is being refused a title of Prince because of the mother's skin colour' or the whole detail of what might happen when Charles becomes king and he might be a Prince or he might not and detailed explanation of how Charles wanted to scale back, long before Meghan ever was on the scene.

I was so happy when they got married. It felt like a massive step forward. I am not a royal fan, but it was important. I even though they made the right decision to leave, in the circumstances.

But they keep trying to drip feed information, because alot of their other things aren't well received.

Personally, I am of the opinion that alot of this is driven by Harry. I think he has told Meghan, half truths, said what he thinks she wants to hear, probably moaned and twisted things not realising how she (as a woman of colour) will interpert things. Then when she has a different take he can't back track.

So, I think, he he told her about the comment about the baby's skin colour, much later than it happened whilst relaying an unrelated disagreement. So she thinks it happened when she was pregnant and during an argument Harry was having. When in reality, it was a small comment about what the baby would like, made months earlier.

And quite frankly, given our media (and social media in general) can be ruthless, I would find it odd if no one has sat Harry or both them down to discuss potential hurtful things that may be said in the media / social media. A comment of 'there will, probably, be speculation in the media about the child's skin colour. Are you both really prepared for these things?'

They keep making huge mistakes and it's turning people off.

Like Harry complaining he didn't get his own wreath. It's not about him. He isn't a working Royal, he isn't a serving solider. How many normal ex soldiers get a personal wreath laid, in their absence, during an official ceremony.

Then they went and laid their own and were spotted by the paparazzi? No one believed that wasn't set up by them. If he wanted a wreath he could have got many people to lay one privately for him at any monument. Why did he want a public one? Laid at an official event.

The fact that he, a millionaire, sat and complained about being cut off when he quit his job, with a straight face was just ridiculous. On the back of a pandemic, where millions have been left with next to nothing. He complained his millions wasn't enough and he shoidn have received more on going support.

Although to be fair, her claim that she didn't know anything about him before they met, was all her and was just ridiculous. And her shock that he bows to the Queen, shows how she really had a very different view to how the Royal family worked, to how it actually does. Not sure if she was just working on assumptions or Harry had misled her into believing they were just a normal family, really.

But, I think they need to shut up. We all know that boon was written with their input and they are making themselves look worse.

Brilliant post, Hekatestorch, I think you nailed the whole thing perfectly there.
Alternista · 29/08/2021 17:11

@Samcro

I am confused by this thread. What i have taken from it, is that you can only be racist if you say it to the person. Its not racist if you are talking about them... interesting
Or could it possibly be “only the people IN a conversation know for sure what was said and how it was said?”
OverweightPidgeon · 29/08/2021 17:15

I think Harry is so bitter about losing his mum ( understandably) that it has leaked into all aspects of his life and he is lashing out at anyone and everyone.

Hekatestorch · 29/08/2021 17:15

@Samcro

I am confused by this thread. What i have taken from it, is that you can only be racist if you say it to the person. Its not racist if you are talking about them... interesting
I don't think that's what people are saying.

They are quoting someone who says a person of colour knows if something is racist and they must be believed.

The point they are making is that Meghan, the person of colour hear about this comment months later and heard it second hand.

My point was that, as a POC, I don't believe him. Who tells their severely depressed pregnant wife, this was said months after it was actually said? That's not a good or trust worthy person.

They also lied and misled (or seemingly have no knowledge of how the Royal family works) in many parts of that interview.

So on the basis of everything together, including that she didn't hear the comment, only Harry's retelling of it, doesn't mean you must automatically believe them.

And I don't. Or rather, I don't believe him. I do believe she thought it was when she was pregnant and she does feel it was a racisit comment. But I don't believe he gave her an accurate retelling of it.

NeverDropYourMooncup · 29/08/2021 17:23

Has nobody ever heard a racist talk about the potential skin tone of a child in their family before?

I could never tell my half brother the shit our mother came out with when she knew his wife was pregnant, mainly because he wouldn't believe it of her, but I saw and heard the worst of her all the time.

Most of it was based upon the lines of whether 'it' would be black, brown (both of which were disasters) or (the preferred option) look like 'it's got a suntan'. Her description of the second child was that they should keep her out of the sun because, unlike the eldest who had blonde hair, 'she looks like a little Nress in the holiday photos'. And, of course, when the eldest was experiencing some bullying, it was their mother's fault for having the kid because they were 'neither one thing nor the other, of course the other kids don't like Half *s'.

Utterly, completely racist. And I'm sure if I were to bother telling my brother (which I won't), it would be explained away as 'Oh, you know me, I'm not racialist, I just wondered whether they'd look like you like I wondered if x's girl would have red hair like her father, I can't imagine why Mooncup would be so spiteful as to suggest that I meant anything else by that, she must be jealous'.

But that's the skill of the covert(ish) racist, they say things that they can explain away to anybody else.

ancientgran · 29/08/2021 17:24

@Roussette

Shock I think you can be a bit smitten with a Three Degree and like a record they made, but still be racist Shock Shock Shock
They were friends for years. I can't remember her name so I must look it up but a don't think racists generally have close friends with someone of a different colour.
Why2why · 29/08/2021 17:26

I believe H&M. Anyone who thinks the RF cannot be racist of say racist things are living in world different to most ethnic minorities, the Commonwealth and countries with British colonial history. The very existence of the RF is based on a superior complex.

ancientgran · 29/08/2021 17:28

Here you are, she talks about their 40 year friendship and how she was beside herself with worry when she heard he had covid. www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-8162287/Three-Degrees-singer-Sheila-Ferguson-didnt-want-notch-Charless-bedpost.html

Harry on the other hand is reported to have called one of his army colleagues by the P word, dressed up in nazi uniform, offered reassurance that she wasn't black when he said he was bringing a South African girlfriend home.

Whose the racist?

Roussette · 29/08/2021 17:39

They were friends for years. I can't remember her name so I must look it up but a don't think racists generally have close friends with someone of a different colour

Of course they do! It rubberstamps the 'I'm not a racist because I have a black friend' thing.

That is not me saying PC is a racist but let's not pretend you can't be racist if you like a song sung by a black artist or you know them.

Roussette · 29/08/2021 17:41

So Charles liked a record sung by a black artist and was friends with her which means he definitely can't be racist.

Harry stupidly said something he will bitterly regret for the rest of his life and went on two awareness courses, and married a bi-racial women, but is a racist.

Got you... Hmm

Hekatestorch · 29/08/2021 17:46

@NeverDropYourMooncup your mother didn't say it straight to your brother though?
Which suggests she knew it was wrong. And just because you mum made some really awful comments about skin colour, doesn't mean skin colour is only ever talked about by racists.

Here's another issue I have. This was said to Harry early on. This is his family who came out with this 'racist comment'

Is he saying he didn't know this relative was racisit before? Didn't know his family were racist?

Or did he know and chose to hide this from Meghan? Who seemed to be taken by surprise. I would be beyond furious if my partner knew, his family were racist and didn't tell me about this before I gave up my entire life to join their 'firm' and base my life around them.

He then shared it when she was extremely vulnerable. Why?

Let's say the comment was racist. It was said to Harry, that would also suggest this relative felt that Harry would be accepting of this. So has Harry engaged in low level Racist comments, behind closed doors? To the point this person felt comfortable to say this to him? Harry clearly hasn't been challenging racisim in his family.

Whatever way this plays out, Harry hasn't been honest somewhere. So no, as a poc, given there were loads of lies in that interview and given its clear he has lied about this situation I don't believe his narrative.

And I really really object that POC and their families can't talk about what their babies will look like, without people claiming it must be racist. As though any mention of skin colour must be bad.

So, POC or their families can't have a converstation white people would have. If a very pale white person was having a baby with an olive skinned person and someone mentioned skin tone, that's fine?

But any mention of a darker skin tone if one parent isn't white it must be in a negative way.

Its absolutely possible to ponder a baby's features without being a vile racist and talking about it in a derogatory way.

Hekatestorch · 29/08/2021 17:53

@Roussette

So Charles liked a record sung by a black artist and was friends with her which means he definitely can't be racist.

Harry stupidly said something he will bitterly regret for the rest of his life and went on two awareness courses, and married a bi-racial women, but is a racist.

Got you... Hmm

In all honesty liking/being friends with the Three degrees doesn't make someone racisit.

But also marrying a woman of colour. Especially, an attractive celebrity WoC doesn't mean you aren't racisit either.

Hekatestorch · 29/08/2021 17:54

Ffs sake that first bit should have been

In all honesty liking/being friends with the Three degrees doesn't make someone not racist.

Roussette · 29/08/2021 17:57

In all honesty liking/being friends with the Three degrees doesn't make someone not racist

Exactly.
And they're hardly bosom pals... Sheila Ferguson hasn't seen him since before he married Diana

Gilmorehill · 29/08/2021 18:04

@Roussette

They were friends for years. I can't remember her name so I must look it up but a don't think racists generally have close friends with someone of a different colour

Of course they do! It rubberstamps the 'I'm not a racist because I have a black friend' thing.

That is not me saying PC is a racist but let's not pretend you can't be racist if you like a song sung by a black artist or you know them.

@Roussette we have a family in-joke about the ‘I can’t be a racist because I have black friends’. Years ago a boy in ds’s primary class kept telling him to go back to ‘your own f&@king* country, you f&@king* immigrant’. (He was born in dh’s country) I called the boy’s mum and she said he would never have said that because she has Indian friends! I wanted to bang my head on the phone repeatedly out of frustration. Only recently the dm of DD’s BFF told me she confronted the mother of another girl in the year as she’d been making racist comments to a new girl . I said ‘don’t tell me, the mother said she’s not a racist as she has black friends!’ She said ‘yes! How did you know?!’ Grin
ancientgran · 29/08/2021 18:07

@Roussette

So Charles liked a record sung by a black artist and was friends with her which means he definitely can't be racist.

Harry stupidly said something he will bitterly regret for the rest of his life and went on two awareness courses, and married a bi-racial women, but is a racist.

Got you... Hmm

Has Charles said he liked a record, I hadn't heard that. I was talking about a long and enduring friendship.

Harry didn't just say one thing. He might not be a racist now but he does show the enthusiam of a convert.

But I'm sure you can twist that round, change the words, leave bits out and it will all mean something totally different.

Roussette · 29/08/2021 18:08

Gilmore Exactly!

It's the go-to answer to racism. Embarrassing. And totally see through.

ancientgran · 29/08/2021 18:08

@Roussette

So Charles liked a record sung by a black artist and was friends with her which means he definitely can't be racist.

Harry stupidly said something he will bitterly regret for the rest of his life and went on two awareness courses, and married a bi-racial women, but is a racist.

Got you... Hmm

The stupid bit is good though.
ancientgran · 29/08/2021 18:09

@Roussette

Gilmore Exactly! It's the go-to answer to racism. Embarrassing. And totally see through.
Knowing someone and having a 40 year close friendship aren't the same thing.

Poor Sheila Ferguson, according to you she's a bit of a sap isn't she. Strange as she seems quite savvy.

Roussette · 29/08/2021 18:10

Has Charles said he liked a record, I hadn't heard that. I was talking about a long and enduring friendship

Yes there was a particular record he liked if my memory serves me correctly. Hardly a 'long and enduring friendship' if he hasn't seen her before his wedding to Diana in 1981 !!

He might not be a racist now but he does show the enthusiam of a convert

That's good, surely?

Not twisting anything you say but just take issue with the 'he can't be a racist because he has a black friend' scenario

Roussette · 29/08/2021 18:13

Knowing someone and having a 40 year close friendship aren't the same thing

Poor Sheila Ferguson, according to you she's a bit of a sap isn't she. Strange as she seems quite savvy

What on earth do you mean? Where have I said 'she's a bit of a sap' or even hinted at that in my posts?
Where?

ancientgran · 29/08/2021 18:21

The trouble with enthusiastic converts is their enthusiasm often changes, it isn't deep. Let's hope it goes deeper with Harry.

I'm not sure that Prince Charles and Sheila Ferguson necessarily keep everyone up to date with their friendship. She clearly thinks they are friends. I think I'll go with her judgement on it.

In my experience the "I've got black friends" thing is usually said by people who don't have black friends. My husband is black and I've heard it all over the years and I'm quite good at spotting racists. So is DH. He doesn't think Charles is a racist either.

Look at their histories, I'm probably older than you and I can't remember any reports of Charles doing or saying anything racist. He appeared relaxed and happy with Meghan and her mother.

Harry has been racist.

ancientgran · 29/08/2021 18:22

@Roussette

Knowing someone and having a 40 year close friendship aren't the same thing

Poor Sheila Ferguson, according to you she's a bit of a sap isn't she. Strange as she seems quite savvy

What on earth do you mean? Where have I said 'she's a bit of a sap' or even hinted at that in my posts?
Where?

Where you question their long friendship. She thinks they have one, you say they haven't.
Roussette · 29/08/2021 18:28

She clearly thinks they are friends. I think I'll go with her judgement on it

Up to you what you think! She has said in a recent interview she hasn't seen him since 1979. Not what I'd call a 'close' friendship but there you go, I don't care !

Not what I'd call a close friendship, I see people I'm close to, but there you go. Yes she thinks it's a close friendship, can't work that one out but maybe if Charles thought it too, I'd believe it!

And if you read a previous post of mine I said this... That is not me saying PC is a racist

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