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The royal family

The "Royal Racist"

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GrimDamnFanjo · 26/08/2021 15:34

The discussion is still rumbling on...
Over on the Daily Mail site there's yet another article about whether H&M will name names.
This I found was interestingly written as it only seems to mention one other family member...

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Pixxie7 · 29/08/2021 04:26

I think it is much to do about nothing it seems that they are drip feeding to keep the attention on them. For a couple who wanted to stay out of the media they aren’t doing a very good job.

ExitChasedByABee · 29/08/2021 05:30

[quote UrbanRambler]@Hekatestorch I think you covered pretty much everything in your post, and I especially liked your last sentence. Yes indeed, they need to shut up. But they won't, so while they are selling their stories for every penny they can get, they will have to take the rough with the smooth. Those who live by the sword, die by the sword, and the media is definitely a double edged sword.

It could have been so different, if M had just adapted herself to her new role, taken time to adjust to her new life and not played the prima donna. There was a massive amount of goodwill towards the couple when they married, and people had high hopes that M would inject a breath of fresh air into the RF, but instead she has soured all that and H seems to have lost the plot completely.[/quote]
It seems as though the royal family needs some kind of family therapy where they can resolve their conflicts. It’s quite unseemly to air out dirty laundry and makes things about tacky. Also, since William and Harry seemed to get along at first after the wedding, and not all protocols were followed when Harry was engaged, not to mention when they were all walking side by side to be then labelled the “Fab Four”; I do think Harry was naively expecting even more protocols to be cast aside especially when the family are usually be expected to walk in accordance to tradition, for example with their funerals, the eldest grandchild stands in the middle, or any public event where they sit or stand or walk, even who they are meant to curtsy too is usually determined by some sort of protocol. Therefore, I don’t think Harry and Meghan expected to play second fiddle. I’m sure if Meghan had proven that she could be trusted with some small responsibilities, she would have been given even more. After all, Harry apparently was the President of the Commonwealth Trust according to Wikipedia and Meghan after marriage was made the Vice President. But much was made of her “hitting the ground running” and I remember her saying something in a Heads Together video, where all 4 are sat together, that there were things she’d like to do etc but maybe in 3 months etc. I think it was 3 months but the video is available on YouTube so it was quite clear that she may have been given some time to adjust before she took on any royal duties. But clearly she was either wasn’t given enough time to learn of protocols or confidently thought that she didn’t need them.

He clearly didn’t give Meghan much warning and relayed stories based on perceived personal slights and as Meghan is mixed and may be sensitive to any form of discrimination, heard second or third hand events that she now believes were racially charged.

Harry probably always felt second best as the “spare to the heir” but as his mother never wanted him to feel this way, William also happily including him along with Kate in their Heads Together campaign, bucking even more traditions, I can see why Harry naively thought, despite being born in such a family, that traditions and protocols can be adapted and changed. He may have known that Archie would never have been a prince as long as QE2 is alive but he may have thought that if some changes could be made for William, so too could they be made for him. Since Harry doesn’t seem to be the sharpest tool in the box, despite having plentiful of emotional intelligence, he probably didn’t even realise that this change was made to prevent the situation the younger male heirs would be considered for the throne before their older, female siblings. So he could have easily relayed to Meghan that their baby would not be a prince or princess despite changes being made for William and then oh and guess so and so expressed concern about what the baby will look like. What the actual context of the conversation with the baby’s potential skin colour, which could easily have been an offhand remark to be prepared if the baby’s skin colour may be discussed in the media and that there might be a fallout if a baby isn’t light skinned etc and this could easily be from a place of love and concern for him and not racially motivated. If this conversation was made at the beginning of Harry’s relationship, he might not have read too much into it until later on when he realised that rules won’t be bent and his future child won’t be a prince or princess straightaway or if ever if Charles does streamline the monarchy.

The full context may not have been elaborated and so to Meghan, who would have been pregnant at that time, it could be as though these two conversations were made in tandem.

ScrumptiousBears · 29/08/2021 06:02

@SamiReed1

It really irritates me when people so ignorantly say it 'was just curiosity about skin colour', 'it wasn't racist'. Do any of you not realise that a person of colour KNOWS DARN WELL when it is a racist remark, or something innocuous? Seriously? Do you honestly think we don't know the difference? When a person of colour tells you someone made a racist comment.....BELIEVE THEM! Don't attempt to invalidate our experiences.
But it wasn't said to Meghan. To Meghan it was hearsay so repeated buyHarry to her. She has no idea in what way it was said as we can all be sure that when humans repeat something it is very rarely accurate 100%
Oldbutstillgotit · 29/08/2021 07:59

WaterIsBest

“It was Princess Ann been known along time”

When and where was this confirmed ? I must have missed it.

StormzyinaTCup · 29/08/2021 09:31

It was Princess Ann been known along time

Someone who says very little and has reworked her character to the point of now being accepted by most people.

Hmm my take from the article is that it was comments from William or Charles.

Its clearly been done as a smear campaign by the couple against the whole family. PH needed to either say nothing or have the balls to name the accused and stand by it. If you are serious about fighting racism call it out properly, don't do it in a half arsed way. By doing it the way he has it leaves the door open to question whether anything was actually said at all. He clearly had an agenda from the get go and MM was his way out, so I wouldn't put it past him to be very creative with what he relayed to her (and apparently he thought it a good time to relay it to her at a time when she said she was feeling suicidal - what a nice guy). The whole thing doesn't reflect on him at all well.

Viviennemary · 29/08/2021 09:58

Lady Colin Campbell said it was Proncess Anne. I'd take that with a very large pinch of salt. Rumour has it that Princess Anne might take the blame but it wasn't her. That I would be more inclined to believe.

Gilmorehill · 29/08/2021 10:28

‘Lady’ Colin Campbell is a joke. However I could believe Princess Anne would be willing to take one for the team.

Hekatestorch · 29/08/2021 10:33

The whole thing doesn't reflect on him at all well.

It really doesn't. It really does come across as though he has fed her information that suits his own ends.

And alot of its back fired. There's just stuff I can't believe she either didn't know and/or just made up. The only way, it makes sense in my head, is that he has misled her OR just not told her things she needed to know.

Its either that or she really believes she can make anything up and people will not know she has made it up or that anything she says is true. And that seems like a whole other level of arrogance.

Does she really believe she could completely make up the reasons Archie wasn't given the title of Prince? She is fully aware of why, but thought other people wouldn't be? As though who gets titles and who doesn't, is a state secret.

Or is it more likely that Harry has twisted the information she has been given to give her that narrative.

So many times during that interview, she said things, that turned out not to be true and he looked massively uncomfortable. Because he knew she made it up? Or because he knew he was going to get caught out in his lies when people questioned what she said.

If he has lied to her, I really hope she has privately confronted him and they are just (publically) trying to style it out.

JacquelineCarlyle · 29/08/2021 10:35

@Viviennemary

Lady Colin Campbell said it was Proncess Anne. I'd take that with a very large pinch of salt. Rumour has it that Princess Anne might take the blame but it wasn't her. That I would be more inclined to believe.
I'd believe this too!
Plumtree391 · 29/08/2021 10:47

Princess Anne is far from stupid.

StormzyinaTCup · 29/08/2021 11:03

Hekatestorch Maybe they wanted different things out of the RF as individuals so interpretations and conversations relayed have been skewed to fit their individual wants and they have come together as a couple in a compromise which has ended in a bit of a miss mash of what is truth and what has been embellished/rewritten from the past. If you are going to come out in such a public way you need to be on the same page and consistent otherwise people are going to call you out.

AllTheSingleLadiess · 29/08/2021 11:06

It could have been so different, if M had just adapted herself to her new role, taken time to adjust to her new life and not played the prima donna.

Would it have helped if the Sussexes had taken a year or two out to adjust to married life like the Cambridges did in Anglesey? M could have learned more about the rules she had agreed to live by and about life in Britain which might have possibly helped set realistic expectations of her role.

Gilmorehill · 29/08/2021 11:52

My dh is from the Middle East and I moved to his country to get married. He also comes from a rather snobby and rigid family. I know how hard it can be to settle in and adjust. When I saw how M seemed to jump in with both feet, I just knew there’d be problems down the line. Also, having a baby in a different country can really add to feeling homesick and isolated. I was really happy in my first year in dh’s country because it was all novel and interesting. However I really struggled in my second year. I remember bursting into tears when I arrived back in the house after a visit to the U.K. However I tried hard to make it work and eventually felt at home. I honestly think M and H were unrealistic about the difficulty faced in adjusting to a completely new way of life and rather than admitting it to themselves, they blamed the RF for not helping despite the fact the RF actually did many things differently for M eg Christmas at Sandringham when just engaged.

Viviennemary · 29/08/2021 11:56

It seems to always be somebody else's fault with those two. Hmm

PicsInRed · 29/08/2021 13:27

Charles walked her down the aisle, William fell out with Harry over the relationship.

Let's face it, it's not Charles.

smilesy · 29/08/2021 13:35

When the Queen issued the “recollections may vary” statement, it probably meant that there was a lot of he said, she said stuff going on an people felt that whatever they had said was either not as reported or not what they intended to convey. This incident should have been dealt with immediately as has often been said. It has now descended to the level of telling teacher what happened in the playground at lunchtime 🙄

Gilmorehill · 29/08/2021 16:28

@smilesy Grin. I work in a school and I always say in these situations ‘there’s what you say, there’s what he says and the truth is somewhere in the middle’.

Plumtree391 · 29/08/2021 16:34

@Viviennemary

Lady Colin Campbell said it was Proncess Anne. I'd take that with a very large pinch of salt. Rumour has it that Princess Anne might take the blame but it wasn't her. That I would be more inclined to believe.
It was definitely not Princess Anne.

Lady Colin is a 'character' (and a terrible name dropper), but, honestly, do people really believe the stuff she spouts?

It was said by a stupid person who is not related by birth to Prince Harry.

ancientgran · 29/08/2021 16:45

@milveycrohn

If they name names, the person concerned could a) deny it, and b) sue for libel? This way the RF are all tarred, and speculation continues. Maybe whoever it was supposed to be, does not actually realise it was him/her. Apparently the remarks (whatever they were) were said to Harry before Meghan was pregnant, and repeated by Harry to Meghan when she was a) pregnant with Archie and b) suicidal.
What a tactful chap he must be. It is just the sort of thing to bring up with your suicidal wife.
StuckInATent · 29/08/2021 16:48

“It has now descended to the level of telling teacher what happened in the playground at lunchtime 🙄”

^ This completely.

It’s all just a bit baffling. I’m not a fan of the monarchy, or of H&M, the British tabloids are insufferable and PA should do the morally right thing, bend over backwards to cooperate and face whatever consequences that may bring. But I do love a bit of people watching and seeing different perspectives…

This allegation is serious, yet the way it was made is vague and open to multiple perfectly reasonable interpretations - and if things are vague people will speculate - which they are doing…

Just can’t help thinking that creating a world
of gossip around situation around a serious matter is not a particularly positive contribution to the world stage and is more akin to playground politics.

ancientgran · 29/08/2021 16:52

@SamiReed1

It really irritates me when people so ignorantly say it 'was just curiosity about skin colour', 'it wasn't racist'. Do any of you not realise that a person of colour KNOWS DARN WELL when it is a racist remark, or something innocuous? Seriously? Do you honestly think we don't know the difference? When a person of colour tells you someone made a racist comment.....BELIEVE THEM! Don't attempt to invalidate our experiences.
But it wasn't said to the person of colour was it? Her thoughtless husband decided to cheer her up when she was suicidal and pregnant by bringing it up. If he's stupid enough to do that I doubt he would manage to convey if it was innocuous or not.
Samcro · 29/08/2021 16:55

I am confused by this thread.
What i have taken from it, is that you can only be racist if you say it to the person. Its not racist if you are talking about them... interesting

ancientgran · 29/08/2021 16:56

@PearlyBird

Even if it was Charles, I just dont believe he thought "i hope the baby isnt too dark" and im not being naive. Racists exist. But if meghan wasnt too dsrk to be walked down the aisle then how could their child be too dark.

Im not sure the RF would be ready for an heir to throne to marry a properly dark skinned black woman. But Megan is a v pale skinned black woman and Harry is not in line, and he's v pale skinned and ginger.

So just how "worried" could charles or william or Anne have been???? I dont believe they were worried.

So I know none of us were there, but i just find it so hard to believe that Charles was worried about Archie's skin colour. Curious yes, I can believe that.

Wasn't Charles a bit smitten with one of the Three Degrees? They were friends for years weren't they so I don't reckon he's a racist. I think Harry said more racist stuff than Charles. Maybe he was quoting a conversation that was going on in his head. Now that would be headline news wouldn't it.
lunar1 · 29/08/2021 17:00

Why name the supposed racist royal when H&M can spend the next 10 years ruling them out one at a time?

Context is everything, DH and I had conversations about what our children might look like, if they would take after one of us, or be somewhere in between. DH's friends and family in India had many conversations about it. None of it in a hurtful or negative way.

Roussette · 29/08/2021 17:04
Shock I think you can be a bit smitten with a Three Degree and like a record they made, but still be racist Shock Shock Shock
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