The "Royal Racist"

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The discussion is still rumbling on...
Over on the Daily Mail site there's yet another article about whether H&M will name names.
This I found was interestingly written as it only seems to mention one other family member...

@artquejtion Charlotte - well, she's definitely a C, so maybe her. Unless @Plumtree391 knows different?

[quote Roussette]@StormzyinaTCup

It's been dropped, that's why. As I posted, the claims have been rescinded.
So, no truth to Knauf's claims no[/quote]
I hadn't heard that Roussette.

@Roussette The only source I can find for this is the latest chapter of Omid's book. Is there anything else that you know of?

it is absolutely clear that the Palace is an awful employer. I’m quite certain that that is not a position they wanted to find themselves in!

I wonder, though, just how much they care about this?
In most organisations the tone comes from the top, and among a lot of the RF there seems an attitude that just to serve them is honour enough, without the ungrateful oiks expecting vulgar extras like "rights" as well

Anyway, spare a thought for those who work there, if Charles brings Fawcett with him ... now that really could be interesting

I really don't think the allegations have been dropped will be untrue whatever the source.

Not sure I would accept Scobie’s claim as gospel truth and I doubt the palace talks to him.

This is interesting. So, Jason Knaupf raised a complaint about bullying - is it usual for someone to do that on behalf of others, in an employment situation? I don't know much about this sort of thing.

Well... you'll find out in time won't you Sally as we all will.
It was going to be in the sovereign grant report June 2022, so if there's no mention we will know

Reading through Scobie’s account (which was quoted in the Daily Star, unfortunately) it says that two of the employees have rescinded their claims. The original accusation mentioned three, so what about the other one? Anyway, if Scobie does not have the official voice of the Sussexes, he could be making it up. 🤷‍♀️

Yes, so what I said to Sally applies
Personally I don't think we'll hear another word of this now knauf has gone

I don't see where the racism is, it's a question on the skin colour, that's just curiosity.

@Aspiringmatriarch

This is interesting. So, Jason Knaupf raised a complaint about bullying - is it usual for someone to do that on behalf of others, in an employment situation? I don't know much about this sort of thing.

Usual? No.

Does it happen? Yes?

I've done it myself in situations where junior staff were being bullied and lacked the experience in how to address this or the perpetrator was in such as position of power they felt any such reporting would be ineffective without the support of someone more senior.

I can't possibly comment on JK's motives but I can say a senior person reporting bullying of more junior staff that they believed to be true or worthy of investigation is not unprofessional behaviour.

@SallyLockheart

Victims of bullying are often reluctant to step forward, especially if they believe that nothing will be actioned against the bully. In this case , it is clear that the Palace failed in its duty to listen to those employees and investigate allegations. The Times report indicated that they had evidence to support their claims, and certainly no one would describe the Times as a tabloid rag.

As I have shown in the links above, the person who broke the story, Valentine, recently posted something else after being so sure in his ITV footage. What is the evidence exactly. So far as I can see the 'evidence' is JK making a complaint that the victims want nothing to do with.

JK was these victim' senior though, so someone senior had their back, why would they want nothing to do with it, if their boss is willing to report on their behalf.

@Serenster

Jason Knauf most definitely raised a claim to HR about the Duchess based on what he witnessed himself and what he had been told. That is a perfectly normal, appropriate (and indeed necessary) action to take when someone in a line management role becomes aware of such concerns. We know he raised this with HR as we have seen the contemporaneous email. So yes, the claim definitely was made (and has been acknowledged by Buckingham Palace as they have now appointed an independent law firm to conduct the investigation that they failed to do at the time).

So, unless you are claiming that the email was a forgery (good luck with that!) then the palace covered for the Duchess by firstly not disclosing the issue (when journalists were asking questions due to Melissa Toubabti known to have left on unhappy terms) and also shoving the whole issue under the carpet - not investigating, not helping the employees affected - completely failing in their duty of care to them, in short.

I am not claiming that the report is forgery. I do however wonder about the motives of JK. Interestingly, he is 'leaving' when this claim hits the news and H&M strongly deny and friends say they were in the midst of what was going on with receipts, and that one of the people who is accusing was dismissed for poor conduct. It looks to me that things were going to unravel about the truth of the situation. What JK did not count on was that SM would expose that the person was actually a nanny who he employed as a PA - incompetently organising the Duke and Duchess diaries in a role above her skills as PA. She went back to nanny position now- for a tabloid reporter. I suspect that JK resignation was actually asked of him after a brief investigation.

And I think, the palace did not do anything about it, because they could see it was an unlikely accusation. Now they are caught in a place where they either going to disclose that it was a smear or they let JK take all the blame. Most likely, they will let this die down without a whimper, happy in the knowledge that the damage has already been done to the Duchess reputation.

So why the delay in making the outcome of the investigation public? If there are no bullying claims and it was indeed a smear then make the outcome public now. One less thing for us to speculate about.

The outcome will not be published, because the whole point is to put a question mark over the Duchess reputation. Exactly to keep the speculation going even if there is nothing there. What takes a year to investigate on a bullying claim anyway.

It will just die a death, betcha.
Agree @dontyouwish2

Harry and Meghan have declined to name names, could that be because the whole point is to put a question mark over the whole royal family’s credentials?

[quote Roussette]@StormzyinaTCup

It's been dropped, that's why. As I posted, the claims have been rescinded.
So, no truth to Knauf's claims no[/quote]
Has it really been dropped ?

That announcement was made in Scobies / Sussexes book Finding Freedom, which most people are not taking seriously (the book, I mean).

Earlier this year the media reported that two of the people named in the bullying incident wanted their names removed from the original complaint by Knauff.

However there is nothing about the bullying case being dropped nor has anyone said there is no truth to Knauf's claim.

@dontyouwish2

So why the delay in making the outcome of the investigation public? If there are no bullying claims and it was indeed a smear then make the outcome public now. One less thing for us to speculate about.

The outcome will not be published, because the whole point is to put a question mark over the Duchess reputation. Exactly to keep the speculation going even if there is nothing there. What takes a year to investigate on a bullying claim anyway.

I’m very intrigued about the outcome of this investigation tbh. I hope that it’s fair and Meghan is allowed to bring her evidence and all the victims are allowed to have their say. Bullying is horrible & should not be tolerated.

I like Meghan & Harry but if she gets found to have done something horrible I wouldn’t defend that. I hate the name calling on MN, being called cheerleaders, poor dears or sugars as previous numbered threads used to name all defenders of racism, sexism and bullying. I hope the truth about bullying comes out. Even if Meghan is guilty of bullying I will still sideye the RF for not investigating other members of RF & their employees for things like racism(Fawcett guy). Plus their history of discrimination in their hiring practices. I don’t even know why or how Meghan thought she could survive and change such an institution. Glad she ran off but the fact that she married in, will forever be used against her by apologists and defenders of this institution. It makes me wonder why my mum she married into a family that would not and did not accept her.. but I suppose love 🤷‍♀️. At least she gets the benefit of doubt that she married for love whereas Meghan gets accused of being a gold digger, a jezebel etc etc albeit not directly on Mumsnet nowadays.

Perhaps if Harry and Meghan had taken a bit longer for Meghan to understand the role of a royal spouse and how it fits in with being part of a hierarchy which is, for better or worse, stepped in tradition, they could have made a more informed choice about becoming senior royals, having the big wedding and everything it entails. That would have given them time to decide they wanted to not be part of the RF “firm” going forward and could marry purely for love in a small intimate ceremony which they seemed to have wanted

Given that Harry took offence at William saying “are you sure you aren’t going to fast with this girl”- which was sound advice - it does make you wonder how much they can take words of advice or help and twist them into insults. Or racist remarks.

@Roussette

I really don't think the allegations have been dropped will be untrue whatever the source.

Maybe not. But I can find no source other than Omid.

Given that Harry took offence at William saying “are you sure you aren’t going to fast with this girl”- which was sound advice

I have noticed a common theme in how the couple approach things which is to do everything at 100 miles an hour (and woe betide anyone that gets in the way).

I have a friend like this and it's bloody exhausting.

it does make you wonder how much they can take words of advice or help and twist them into insults. Or racist remarks

It's entirely possible Sally MN has some stunning examples of that .

Wait and see then?
Betcha you will hear no more

I think we will hear that it has been concluded. It is after all being performed by an external party and the RF need to show progress is being made.

The Palace clearly did not have adequate procedures for following up concerns expressed by staff on behalf of staff, and need to clarify to their own staff what their rights are in respect of disagreement with any principal member of the establishment, not just other members of staff. There is no point the Palace having an anti-bullying policy if principal members are excluded. Employment law has strengthened in recent years/decades and behaviour "tolerated" years ago would no longer be so tolerated. Policies and structure should be/are available that would make reporting such behaviour possible and probably. It should apply to ALL principals going forward.

Who said they took words of advice & help and and twisted them into racism?. Meghan said that? Harry? . I don’t know a POC who wants or likes to be referred as a girl or boy by a white person to be honest. Being callled boy or girl is always followed by demeaning statements or racist worlds or worse. So I wouldn’t have blamed Meghan if she had been miffed at her fiancé being warned of being warned to be careful of ‘this girl’.

By the way if we are to applaud William for warning his brother Harry for helping and advising him about that girl( Meghan) , do we also believe and applaud him for calling her that bloody woman & for Kate not trusting/ liking M from the beginning?. What chance did Meghan have if we are to applaud and believe these?