The "Royal Racist"

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The discussion is still rumbling on...
Over on the Daily Mail site there's yet another article about whether H&M will name names.
This I found was interestingly written as it only seems to mention one other family member...

But I guess you prefer to make excuses for racist gaslighting, so you do you. 🤷‍♀️ Do you know what I've stood up to racists all my life. At home, at work and socially. I don't tolerate racist conversation in my hearing full stop. Meghan has made a terrible mistake in marrying Harry if he can't do the same.

@Roussette

Gosh yes... sometimes you just need to process what you hear without a kneejerk reaction.

I agree with that. There have been times when I've heard something and just felt shocked, had to think about it later.

That is what he is doing.

Calling it out.

Maybe the private conversation was just not enough

The person who said it now knows it was noted and had a great effect. So they should.

That's great derxa but I'm sorry to say you are definitely not doing it right now. Denying, excusing, minimising, is all pretty textbook stuff. And Harry has moved his entire family to a different continent and left the only life he's ever known, so I think he's done ok. Things don't always happen overnight, especially with such a complex situation.

Anyway, from @Plumtree391 we have a few hints a 'C', an older woman? Who could that be?

Obviously nobody knows if Plumtree knows anything really (no disrespect) but it's interesting nonetheless. 🤓

@Plumtree391

The person who said it now knows it was noted and had a great effect. So they should.

You make a good point there actually. So what should happen next? Would an apology be enough? Will this run on in perpetuity?

I don't know. She could apologise, it might help if it was heartfelt but then there would presumably be some proof of who said it if it was in a letter or email. A telephone call might be best.

@Plumtree391

I don't know. She could apologise, it might help if it was heartfelt but then there would presumably be some proof of who said it if it was in a letter or email. A telephone call might be best.

Who is she?

“I don’t get this reasoning at all. So unless Meghan heard it herself then Harry must be confused?.“

I think it is plausible that given Harry’s background he might not have realised the comment was racist - would that explain why it was only picked up later when relayed to his wife ?
In which case perhaps taking the person to one side and explaining something is unacceptable is probably the best course of action
I don’t understand why anyone wouldn’t do this ?
That is why it’s all so confusing

Of course if you explain and the person is adamant they have done nothing wrong thats when things go downhill

recollections vary is a cop out, how many racist accept they are racist?

Quite Samcro. Recollections may vary means they know exactly what M&H are referring to but they don't think it was that bad, basically.

@Aspiringmatriarch

Quite Samcro. Recollections may vary means they know exactly what M&H are referring to but they don't think it was that bad, basically.

Precisely it's a vague statement to not have to deny or admit. I've always said the person knows who they are and indeed the senior royals also know. M&H have made the statement and who would bring that on their doorstep if it didn't happen- for those of you who don't believe it was said I can explain that no person of colour freely wants to expose themselves to having to admit that they faced it, because it is humiliating to experience it and then to relive it by discussing further with those who question whether it happened to you or not. you are more likely to ignore and hope it won't happen again (if only) because it is traumatic to deal with the humiliation of it all. I would be happy for M&H to not disclose unless they want to - not to appease some with the excuse that their money is funding a racist - as you really don't give a monkeys. Prince Philip was well known for his racist remarks - did you put your hand up to stop funding him even though it was blatant for all to see - NO - you made excuses for him and continue to do so. IT would be the same just nastier because it's M&H - if The person admits you will find reason as in the case of PP and if they deny M&H will be harassed as liars. Imagine Piers Morgan he could probably live for a few Months on this story alone.

Just to add those who previously justified by saying MH didn't hear it direct - it doesn't make it any better or easier and whether you want to accept it or Not it was still racism directed at her and her unborn child!
For example - a relative (A) makes unkind racist comments about me to my partner ) partner tells me - does that mean it's not racist because I didn't hear it direct therefore I shouldn't be offended !

Recollections vary is a cop out, how many racist accept they are racist?

As far as I recall - someone please correct me if I'm wrong - the "recollections vary" wasn't specifically directed at the racism claims, but more of a general observation which folk could take as they wish

As indeed they have ...

@Puzzledandpissedoff

Recollections vary is a cop out, how many racist accept they are racist?

As far as I recall - someone please correct me if I'm wrong - the "recollections vary" wasn't specifically directed at the racism claims, but more of a general observation which folk could take as they wish

As indeed they have ...

Yes I thought it was the reaction to the whole interview

@PreparationPreparationPrep

Just to add those who previously justified by saying MH didn't hear it direct - it doesn't make it any better or easier and whether you want to accept it or Not it was still racism directed at her and her unborn child! For example - a relative (A) makes unkind racist comments about me to my partner ) partner tells me - does that mean it's not racist because I didn't hear it direct therefore I shouldn't be offended !

so true. when ds was small and awful woman called my dd a retard. I may not have heard it, my dd may not have heard it, but it was still as disablist as fuck(dd is disabled)

PreparationPreparationPrep
Just to add those who previously justified by saying MH didn't hear it direct - it doesn't make it any better or easier and whether you want to accept it or Not it was still racism directed at her and her unborn child!
For example - a relative (A) makes unkind racist comments about me to my partner ) partner tells me - does that mean it's not racist because I didn't hear it direct therefore I shouldn't be offended !

so true. when ds was small and awful woman called my dd a retard. I may not have heard it, my dd may not have heard it, but it was still as disablist as fuck(dd is disabled)

Speaking from my own experience (I have a DS with a learning disability) whilst I absolutely would be offended with any comment aimed at my son I would also be furious with my partner if he:
A) didn’t address it at the time he heard it
B) didn’t tell me as soon as he heard it so I could address it myself if he wasn’t prepared to.
C) decided the right time to tell me was months later when I was at my absolute lowest point and was feeling suicidal.

That is crap behaviour by my partner and I would be asking serious questions of him.

@StormzyinaTCup I said ds not DH just in case you misread. ds was a child.

@Puzzledandpissedoff

Recollections vary is a cop out, how many racist accept they are racist?

As far as I recall - someone please correct me if I'm wrong - the "recollections vary" wasn't specifically directed at the racism claims, but more of a general observation which folk could take as they wish

As indeed they have ...

Yes, this has been pointed out all before. The 'recollections may vary' was about the whole of what was said, and so it could include the Archbishop's recollection of the vow practice three days before, and Catherine's recollection of the wedding practice. It wasn't only about the skin-colour remark.

I don’t get this reasoning at all. So unless Meghan heard it herself then Harry must be confused?.

I've posted before saying that it is possible that Harry didn't think the statement was racist until he told Meghan, so, confused, no, but less aware than his mixed-race wife, yes, possibly.

@StormzyinaTCup

That is crap behaviour by my partner and I would be asking serious questions of him.

Yes agree and It can be both but I'm not aware the M&H didn't have conversations to that effect - or are we assuming they didn't?

@Puzzledandpissedoff

Recollections vary is a cop out, how many racist accept they are racist?

As far as I recall - someone please correct me if I'm wrong - the "recollections vary" wasn't specifically directed at the racism claims, but more of a general observation which folk could take as they wish

As indeed they have ...

So that means "recollections may vary" also applies to the allegations of racism - doesn't it? which is what we have discussed - I'm Not sure what your point is -

Yes, this has been pointed out all before. The 'recollections may vary' was about the whole of what was said, and so it could include the Archbishop's recollection of the vow practice three days before, and Catherine's recollection of the wedding practice. It wasn't only about the skin-colour remark.

So if the recollections may vary did not apply to the racism remark then maybe the RF should not have issued such a vague and blanket response. They could have issued a strong and robust denial as they managed to with the naming of Lili.