The "Royal Racist"

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The discussion is still rumbling on...
Over on the Daily Mail site there's yet another article about whether H&M will name names.
This I found was interestingly written as it only seems to mention one other family member...

@Roussette

I have come to the conclusion as I did years ago before, there is absolutely NOTHING Harry and indeed, Meghan can do that would be praised. To the point of ridiculousness. We're now on the way to denigrating his army career

Agree - it is beyond a joke.

Just playing Devils advocate, but PA served in the Falklands war 🤷‍♀️

@PreparationPreparationPrep

Great post.
Yes the desperation and straw clutching is a wonder to behold. So Meghan brings awareness to the plight of people in Afghanistan with links to AfghanAid and WomenForAfghan. GOOD. She's got a voice and is using it, and if just one person donated because of her voice, that is a good thing.
It's beyond me, the criticism and it is starting to look increasingly desperate and pathetic.

As they forge their way in the world over in the US, and become more successful and appreciated, I think some posters on here are going to have a really hard time accepting that.

Look how happy they are. That must hurt. 🤣

Just playing Devils advocate, but PA served in the Falklands war

Shhhhh!!!

*Serenster" yes, I've watched some of Vigil too, and as you say there's staging in that as there is in most TV
FWIW I agree that some attacks are "just because it's Harry", but by the same token it's interesting that some basic truths seem unacceptable for the very same reason

@Serenster

And, as Philip Hammond made clear, the moment there was any actual, appreciable danger to him, he definitely had bodyguards.

You deliberately left out this statement :

But he faced the same risk in combat as any Apache helicopter pilot, Mr Hammond told BBC Two's Newsnight programme.

From around 4.25, Jeremy is trying his best to make him say that Harry was protected, and he states that he was at the same risk as all the other soldiers, not protected, but if he was specifically targeted because of his identity, there were measures in place.

Well he hardly had two PPOs squashed either side of him in the cockpit did he?!

If there was anyone out there with him security wise, I just need to know whether that means he wasn't really a proper soldier and his 10 years serving was really not anything to respect him for....

@Roussette

Puzzled you honestly honestly think that was staged??? There's a war going on, but the army agree to have soldiers scramble for aircraft and Harry too for a staged bit of journalism?

I remember a soldier being incredibly offended regarding the accusations against Harry . He wen on to say that it's only people that have not been in the army who think they do not take their role and what they do seriously enough to be a babysitting service. That Harry did his job very well. When people accuse the army of staging things with Harry it kind of reminds me of Piers Morgan staged picture trying to disparage the army.

Here is a soldier's take on Harry' situation.

Also, here is Harry during his army days.

In general he took his job seriously.

and doubt the Army would play along with that

images.app.goo.gl/geWSSkqS32iR2KQ17

Look at all those medals! The royal family/ military link is very much played along with.

I still don't see how the army would have time to stage things while deployed in a war zone area. Sorry.

Handy out titles and medals in the safety of UK soil is hardly the same as being in the Middle East now is it?

@dontyouwish2. I think we all agree Harry took his job seriously and was as involved as he could be. He’s is not the first Royal to be involved in active service. As I said above, Prince Andrew saw active service during the Falklands conflict (and I am not in any way a fan of Andrew, I am just pointing this out). However, you have been rather sneery about a journalist putting herself in serious danger at this current time in Afghanistan. I am rather puzzled as to why you want to fangirl Harry, when he was doing his job as a soldier, along with many other brave military personnel, as though his “risk” somehow trumps anyone else’s?

and doubt the Army would play along with that

They don't dick around with the lives of those on the airframe, and only those who properly and fully qualify will pass (no hint of unfair assistance from teacher on this one)

They will have needed some sort of rostering and radio procedure so that no-one could possibly know when it was OH who was flying. But not CP on the airframe itself (the threat is not coming from the crew, it's from being shot at)

I've never heard anything reliable to suggest that he was not carrying out military duties fully when deployed (when back in UK, and juggling round representational royal roles it took a bit of negotiation, but that happens for other people for other reasons too sorts - like Rory Underwood, or Kelly Holmes during early sporting career before she went full-time athlete)

Have you not seen any videos of soldiers joking around on the base? None of the videos of them doing a daft dance routines?

They could have even just planned it around a practice drill.

For the avoidance of doubt, of course I believe Harry was a proper soldier for his 10 years in the army. He did the same basic training, same Sandhurst course, lived in the same barracks, flew the same Apache missions as the rest of his fellow soldiers.

I don’t think that doesn’t however mean that there were no differences at all in his treatment while in Afghanistan. Obviously he can’t have protection with him in the Apache, as Rousette says, the suggestion is absurd. But it is equally clear that security for him existed in the Camp, and as soon as the Camp was threatened, it was openly deployed. I also think it highly likely that footage of him “dashing to the Apache” was staged for the journalist to capture. This doesn’t mean he didn’t do it for real many times also.

Everything is so back and white for many posters on this thread. So keen to put the Sussexes on their shiny pedestal that anyone trying to say “hang on, their images are burnished just as much as everyone else in the family that you have absolutely no time for whatsoever” are immediately shouted down as haters, or worse. Whoever described it as a cult wasn’t far off the truth.

@Serenster

For the avoidance of doubt, of course I believe Harry was a proper soldier for his 10 years in the army. He did the same basic training, same Sandhurst course, lived in the same barracks, flew the same Apache missions as the rest of his fellow soldiers.

I don’t think that doesn’t however mean that there were no differences at all in his treatment while in Afghanistan. Obviously he can’t have protection with him in the Apache, as Rousette says, the suggestion is absurd. But it is equally clear that security for him existed in the Camp, and as soon as the Camp was threatened, it was openly deployed. I also think it highly likely that footage of him “dashing to the Apache” was staged for the journalist to capture. This doesn’t mean he didn’t do it for real many times also.

Everything is so back and white for many posters on this thread. So keen to put the Sussexes on their shiny pedestal that anyone trying to say “hang on, their images are burnished just as much as everyone else in the family that you have absolutely no time for whatsoever” are immediately shouted down as haters, or worse. Whoever described it as a cult wasn’t far off the truth.

Completely agree with all of this.

The cult to my mind is the Cult of Dislike.

So what if there was a security element whilst he was in Afghanistan. Why's it even being talked about when supposedly it doesn't detract - in the slightest - from the service he gave

@Roussette

The cult to my mind is the Cult of Dislike.

So what if there was a security element whilst he was in Afghanistan. Why's it even being talked about when supposedly it doesn't detract - in the slightest - from the service he gave

It’s being talked about because one of Harry’s determined supporters on this thread disparaged the personal bravery of Lindsey Hilsum by saying:

“Ok, so you are gobsmacked by a journalist doing her job and having a sit down. Yet you refuse to be gobsmacked by soldiers on the front of a war zone. Because that is what Harry was during his tour in Afghanistan”

Posters therefore pointed out that Harry’s role in Afghanistan was exactly the same: doing his job, with personal protection when needed. So why is he on the pedestal and someone like Lindsey Hilsum is being derided for her personal bravery?

As I said above, there’s a refusal to accept anything but the divine leaders being perfect and better in all things.

[quote smilesy]@dontyouwish2. I think we all agree Harry took his job seriously and was as involved as he could be. He’s is not the first Royal to be involved in active service. As I said above, Prince Andrew saw active service during the Falklands conflict (and I am not in any way a fan of Andrew, I am just pointing this out). However, you have been rather sneery about a journalist putting herself in serious danger at this current time in Afghanistan. I am rather puzzled as to why you want to fangirl Harry, when he was doing his job as a soldier, along with many other brave military personnel, as though his “risk” somehow trumps anyone else’s?[/quote]
I have not been sneery at the journalist, I did however see posters being sneery about Harry's military services and claiming that a journalist knows better and was in a better position than him.

I did not say his risk trumps everyone else. As I said, all the soldiers are proper targets. The fact that they wear their uniform, with their military gear etc. sets them out from the civilians, so they are even at greater risk of being identified.

How about you stop calling me names like fangirl, cheerleader, fanatical etc. and I will not call you a hater - I word that on this thread, I have only seen from those who criticise H&M, btw, not from those who defend them.

Everything is so back and white for many posters on this thread. So keen to put the Sussexes on their shiny pedestal that anyone trying to say “hang on, their images are burnished just as much as everyone else in the family that you have absolutely no time for whatsoever” are immediately shouted down as haters, or worse. Whoever described it as a cult wasn’t far off the truth.

Everything is so back and white for many posters on this thread. So keen to put the Sussexes down that anyone trying to say “hang on, they are doing good work just as much as everyone else in the family ” are immediately shouted down as fangirls, cheerleaders, or worse. Whoever describes it as a cult of hate wouldn't be far off the truth.

There, corrected that for you

My, aren’t you clever @dontyouwish2 !!

It’s being talked about because one of Harry’s determined supporters on this thread disparaged the personal bravery of Lindsey Hilsum by saying:

“Ok, so you are gobsmacked by a journalist doing her job and having a sit down. Yet you refuse to be gobsmacked by soldiers on the front of a war zone. Because that is what Harry was during his tour in Afghanistan”

I was clearly pointing out that if you are going to be gobsmacked by a journalist in Afghanistan, you would surely feel the same about a soldier in Afghanistan in the middle of a war. Instead of saying I have no time for him, and implying that he does not know what he is talking about and trying to underplay his role.

@Serenster

My, aren’t you clever *@dontyouwish2* !!

Back at you !

Oh don't be so silly with you "divine leaders".
Pathetic
I agree with dontyouwish2 the names are getting ridiculous.
You get incensed about 'haters' but are happy to label anyone who doesn't think M&H are spawn of the devil, with strings of names and derogatory terms

@Serenster

My, aren’t you clever *@dontyouwish2* !!

What can you do? Apparently saying “a journalist doing her job and having a sit down” isn’t being sneery…

Can I just point out that the only reason Lindsey Hilsum was originally mentioned on the thread was to make a pointless dig against Meghan? I don't think anyone would seriously disparage her for what she's doing but there is such a determined nastiness to posters criticising Meghan that makes it tempting to retaliate - if only to make the point of how ridiculous it is when you're determined to put down someone's intentions, achievements or what have you.

There, corrected that for you
I’m sure I’ve seen another poster say that quite frequently 🤔🤣