The "Royal Racist"

[GrimDamnFanjo]

The discussion is still rumbling on...
Over on the Daily Mail site there's yet another article about whether H&M will name names.
This I found was interestingly written as it only seems to mention one other family member...

Yes its a bit boring. We will have to wait for their next lecture on changing the world for the better.

I like Kate too, she's great.

I also like Meghan - and William and Harry, Prince Charles has improved with age, Princess Anne and her husband and kids, the Queen. Those prominent royals (Harry was one until he went away), are basically good and mean well. Edward & Co seem OK, we don't hear that much about them; Beatrice and Eugenie seem like nice young women. I can't imagine any of those being racist.

Just my opinion.

"Kate is a true example of independent women. She was very successful before she met William. She grafted, had several jobs that she was successful at and which made her independently wealthy before she meet William."

How is that possible when they met at whilst both still undergraduates at University??

I think most people agree that PA is awful, and that PC also has his faults. However, H&M's comments seemed contrived to gain maximum sympathy and publicity, at the expense of damaging the RF. They come across as self obsessed and publicity seeking, and OW's reactions in the interview came across as play acting and faux concern. OW could have been the voice of reason, she could have said things along the lines of "well, lots of people discuss what a baby might look like... they wonder about eye and hair colour, so perhaps conjecture abiut skin colour is natural when the parents have very different ethnic backgrounds." Instead she hammed up her shocked reaction and added fuel to the fire. This kind of nonsense is very divisive.

I like her too. Disagree that she grafted much but she is resilient enough not to react to every dig in the media. Wise enough or strong enough not to care? She is more resilient and more mature.

Chequerboard I think that poster was making a joke at Catherine's expense. Not a very nice one. She seems like a genuinely nice person, I do worry about her a little bit as I think it's a very stifling existence for a young woman to choose and she's very much at the mercy of the 'firm' just as Meghan was. I hope theirs is a happy marriage, that's all I can say.

ajajjmum news articles of the day I linked at the time.
I'm talking way back, not just now.
Yes discussion is exchange of opinions, but not just that. It's swapping knowledge, discussing implications, looking into what's been or being reported in the UK and round the world.

Bearing in mind everything is analysed to the nth degree if it's H&M and old stuff is regurgitated endlessly, PA gets away with so much on MN

I think Meghan and Kate have some very strong similarities.

Privately educated
From well off but not historically well off families (self-made not aristocracy)
Ambitions to work in the glitzy world of celebrity (acting and fashion)

I think the difference in them is that Catherine was a teenager and could be groomed for the role and therefore act accordingly but Meghan was already in her 30s and not willing to act in the expected way of a royal.

@AllTheUsernamesAreAlreadyTaken

I think Meghan and Kate have some very strong similarities.

Privately educated
From well off but not historically well off families (self-made not aristocracy)
Ambitions to work in the glitzy world of celebrity (acting and fashion)

I think the difference in them is that Catherine was a teenager and could be groomed for the role and therefore act accordingly but Meghan was already in her 30s and not willing to act in the expected way of a royal.

What is the expected way of a royal? Infidelity, work shy, sponging of tax payers whilst rubbing shoulders with rapists and other criminals, cutting ribbons, waving and behind the scenes complaining about these inane engagements?

Or maybe you want to look further back where the way if royals included murdering rivals for the throne, marrying several wives and giving them sexually transmitted diseases. Generally dysfunctional nonsense.

What is the way of a royal? Pray tell.

Or maybe you want to look further back where the way if royals included murdering rivals for the throne, marrying several wives and giving them sexually transmitted diseases. Generally dysfunctional nonsense. Yes Kate and William behave just like Henry VIII

@derxa

Or maybe you want to look further back where the way if royals included murdering rivals for the throne, marrying several wives and giving them sexually transmitted diseases. Generally dysfunctional nonsense. Yes Kate and William behave just like Henry VIII

I did not raise the issue of behaving like a royal. I have modem day Royal behaviour and past behaviour.

Some of the modern behaviours apply to Kate and William. One would even say that William has tried to destroy his much more accomplished brother.

But tell us what exactly is the way of a royal.

At least Diana found her voice even Princess Charlene found her legs to run away. Kate will act in the way of a royal and put up or shut up.

What is the way of a royal? Pray tell.
Understanding their immense privilege and not moaning at every given opportunity.

One would even say that William has tried to destroy his much more accomplished brother. Ha Ha Ha!

@derxa

One would even say that William has tried to destroy his much more accomplished brother. Ha Ha Ha!

Made me laugh too

What has William actually every achieved ?

Every senior person on that scale has a speech writer who works with said senior person to reflect what they want to say

This is true; however unless they're genuinely an expert in the field, it can equally mean that, having spent a lot on getting a "big name" onboard, they don't want them putting their foot in it. We only have to look at Charles, who's reputed to write a lot of his own speeches - and look what happens there

BTW, to turn it round a bit I'm sure Andrew had speechwriters too, but unlike Harry nobody's keen to give him credit for whatever those speeches brought about, despite the endless PR insisting how very valuable he was
FWIW I can't stand him either, but it seems a bit odd to hand out credit just on the basis of how much we like people - especially when it's likely that neither would have been given the time of day were it not for the "Prince" title

@dontyouwish2

What has William actually every achieved ?

Nothing of note. If he was not a “royal” he would be not be considered successful.

He helped out with the air ambulance and has fathered future royals. These are his achievements.

Kate will act in the way of a royal and put up or shut up

Well yes, but while I can admire her tenacity I've no doubt it's made worth her while
As said so often, W&K can probably have absolutely whatever they want, just so long as they stay together and avoid poor headlines. From the RF's POV they've more or less got to, because they have damn all else to offer

@Puzzledandpissedoff

Every senior person on that scale has a speech writer who works with said senior person to reflect what they want to say

This is true; however unless they're genuinely an expert in the field, it can equally mean that, having spent a lot on getting a "big name" onboard, they don't want them putting their foot in it. We only have to look at Charles, who's reputed to write a lot of his own speeches - and look what happens there

BTW, to turn it round a bit I'm sure Andrew had speechwriters too, but unlike Harry nobody's keen to give him credit for whatever those speeches brought about, despite the endless PR insisting how very valuable he was
FWIW I can't stand him either, but it seems a bit odd to hand out credit just on the basis of how much we like people - especially when it's likely that neither would have been given the time of day were it not for the "Prince" title

No one is handing out credit.

Harry was criticised for having a speech writer as if that is something to be ashamed of. That is the issue.

The speech was most certainly not written independently of Harry. It reflected him and what Hevesy to say, which is why he delivered it from the heart. That’s the skill of a speech writer. To work with the person to get their views and feelings, etc across. There would have been many drafts until Harry was satisfied it reflected him and used words he wanted to use.

Golly, all this thread does it further convince me we have no need of a RF.

I want to listen to experts not people who get to lecture because of the family they were born into.

I am so bored of 'celebs' lecturing and then doing the exact opposite. I mean if I were filthy rich I would travel by private jet as all the royals do but I wouldn't lecture anyone else about their carbon footprint.

I reckon most of the younger royals would love to just opt out and live on their immense wealth without being judged the whole time.

And honestly how one can look at Prince Andrew and believe in a monarchy is beyond me. Imagine if he had been the heir [shudders]

Exactly and given he wanted to be Prince Regent or whatever, to George, should W not be around, it's a scary thought!
He has freeloading off to a T.
Can't link articles on that as am on phone. But they're out there

@stillavid

Golly, all this thread does it further convince me we have no need of a RF.

I want to listen to experts not people who get to lecture because of the family they were born into.

I am so bored of 'celebs' lecturing and then doing the exact opposite. I mean if I were filthy rich I would travel by private jet as all the royals do but I wouldn't lecture anyone else about their carbon footprint.

I reckon most of the younger royals would love to just opt out and live on their immense wealth without being judged the whole time.

I agree with most of what you’ve said but this idea of “celebs lecturing “ is something that needs to be challenged. The question is: is the message the share a problem or do you just have a problem with the messenger?

If you’re genuinely interested in solving a problem you will focus on the message and amplify that message.

Unless the messenger is a degenerate/generally immoral then what is this stuff about celebs lecturing? Surely it is a distraction and indicative of a less than genuine desire to address society’s problems.

I like Kate, but calling her an independent woman has to be a joke.

@Samcro

I like Kate, but calling her an independent woman has to be a joke.

Yes, I was responding with humour to someone who talked about behaving in the way of a royal. I guess in the way of a royal woman.