The "Royal Racist"

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The discussion is still rumbling on...
Over on the Daily Mail site there's yet another article about whether H&M will name names.
This I found was interestingly written as it only seems to mention one other family member...

Be interesting to see if they do turn up at the jubilee or before. Doesn't seem to be any signs of the royal christening they wanted.

@BadgerB re the Eton comment, I was making the point that of course they do have pupils of different nationalities and ethnicities. The idea that Meghan and Harry's child could be bullied on this basis and therefore the 'royal racist' was trying to protect them, was one of the sillier suggestions made earlier in the thread. Sorry if my sarcasm backfired!

@dontyouwish2

It now seems to be them "exercising their right" to come back

Also conjecture to be fair.
No evidence, nor even statements from H&M, who have contrary praised HM and pointed to a good relationship with zooms etc.

The fact they’re still using their royal titles —to sell books— provides some evidence. There’s zero evidence concerning the personal relationship between the Queen and Harry.

Prince Charles married a white Earl’s daughter , that went well. only because he was in love with another white Captain’s daughter.

Why are they withholding the name ? leverage? It’s getting so tiring, just say it or just move on. Wheeling out scobie every now and then to say they’ve considered naming and shaming but thought better not is just playing games.

From the interview, H&M definitely said it was a family member to whom it would do damage.

In light of everything about this man, I have to say, a part of me wondered if he did not keep whispering in and convincing Charles and possibly everyone else about a problem with Archie' skin colour.

He seems to have a great influence on Charles and I wonder if Harry disclosing those things about money and ghosting, was him being mad at his father for not having a spine and standing up to whoever advises him. And since Charles is next in line, he really ought to have more control.

From what I gathered from the interview H&M don't particularly have anything against the rf members, but they seem to definitely blame the institution for a lot of the wrongs, and seem frustrated that the family is not doing anything about the workers and advisers.

[quote Aspiringmatriarch]@BadgerB re the Eton comment, I was making the point that of course they do have pupils of different nationalities and ethnicities. The idea that Meghan and Harry's child could be bullied on this basis and therefore the 'royal racist' was trying to protect them, was one of the sillier suggestions made earlier in the thread. Sorry if my sarcasm backfired![/quote]
OK Sorry.
Sarcasm doesn't translate too well in writing...

The fact they’re still using their royal titles —to sell books— provides some evidence.
No it doesn't! 😫 Why would it? And why shouldn't they use their titles? Titles, as silly as they might be, are not the sole preserve of full-time working royals. Like it or not they are in fact the Duke and Duchess of Sussex. It doesn't mean they're coming back, why on earth would they with the likes of the Daily Mail relentlessly tearing them down.
There’s zero evidence concerning the personal relationship between the Queen and Harry.
So this is part of the 'discredit every little thing they say' bollocks is it? The Queen has referred to them as much loved family members. H&M spoke about Zooming with her but I guess that's all part of an elaborate fantasy that Harry would have any sort of relationship with his grandmother?

Sarcasm doesn't translate too well in writing...

Very true!

@AllTheUsernamesAreAlreadyTaken

The only evidence I am seeing is that if Fawcett does not come back, together with Knauf leaving, maybe the dominoes may fall. Maybe the RF could be finally cleaning up house. Once can only hope.
That way your story, could, just could be vindicated with H&M coming back into the fold - albeit probably part time as they had wished originally.

We haven’t been told what was said so it’s impossible to form an opinion on what was said or the intention

Neither have we been told who said whatever it was or reliably when, but it hasn't stopped folk posting "It was such-and-such" as if they know it for a fact

Amusing about Fawcett though - not because he keeps coming back like a smell from a sewer, but because anyone supposed it might be different. Reportedly, this is the man Charles said he "can't do without", so how could it be otherwise? (And that's not factoring in the sex scandal and what he may or may not know as a result of it)

dontyouwish: From what I gathered from the interview H&M don't particularly have anything against the rf members, but they seem to definitely blame the institution for a lot of the wrongs, and seem frustrated that the family is not doing anything about the workers and advisers.
.......

That has always been a problem with the royals; Princess Margaret talked about 'men in grey' and since then others have said the same. However in my lifetime I've seen improvements. These things take time and some people expect instant changes in all sorts of institutions. I think it was the Princess Royal who said people don't have to break the wheel.

@Viviennemary

Be interesting to see if they do turn up at the jubilee or before. Doesn't seem to be any signs of the royal christening they wanted.

Who says they want a Royal christening? Lilibet has already been added to the line of succession, which is more noteworthy than a christening. I don’t understand the fuss over whether they want or do not want a royal christening. Stop buying into nonsensical stories from the DM.

In any case, I’m fairly sure they wouldn’t be requesting a royal christening to show the British media a pic of Lilibet.

If anything, the Queen may be the one requesting the christening as a formality since Lilibet’s name has been added to the succession line and as far as I’m aware, this formality normally accompanies this.

@Plumtree391

dontyouwish: From what I gathered from the interview H&M don't particularly have anything against the rf members, but they seem to definitely blame the institution for a lot of the wrongs, and seem frustrated that the family is not doing anything about the workers and advisers. .......

That has always been a problem with the royals; Princess Margaret talked about 'men in grey' and since then others have said the same. However in my lifetime I've seen improvements. These things take time and some people expect instant changes in all sorts of institutions. I think it was the Princess Royal who said people don't have to break the wheel.

The wheel needs to be broken. The RF are funded by taxpayers and they do not get a free pass to continue with ancient ways that damage others. Ways that show contempt for those they are accountable to both here and in the Commonwealth.

Why should they be allowed to go at snail’s pace? They should be setting an example and not wait to be dragged into doing what is right and decent.

Break that wheel. No one (particularly victims of bigotry and colonial ways) should be told they must be patient and continue to suffer denigration, abuse and unfairness while the perpetrators take their precious time to reform.

I am interested in what improvements because to me, there is none. If anything, in these days and times of transparency and openness, there is even more doubling down and opacity.
The days of 'never complain never explain' are gone. That's an outdated mantra.
Always explain should be the new mantra.
Trying to establish facts on finances for instance, is impossible.
The Duchy's are private estates when it suits taxes and laws, but are Crown estates when it suits other taxes and laws.
And don't start me off on IHT and exemptions like that.

I agree that the RF should have initiated change long before this point.

I know it's considered sacrilegious to criticize the Queen, but all of the things she is admired for: steadfastness, tradition, carrying on regardless etc are the same characteristics that have held the institution back. Adaptations should have been made long before now. Virtually every change the Queen has made, such as opening up BP and Windsor, paying tax etc, she has done in response to a perceived funding crisis, rather than as a planned initiative entered into voluntarily. It's very damaging in my view. The RF should have slimmed down years ago.

Also, I am no fan of Prince Charles, but he has been put in a very iniquitous position by the Queen not handing over the reins earlier. First, he will be old and who wants to take on a huge job like that in their 70s? Second, he will have to make all of the difficult decisions about the extended family and funding. And as he isn't popular, his coronation may be more controversial now than when he was younger (and there is the Camilla becoming Queen question).

@Sisalcarpet

So agree. I've been saying this for a very long time.
The RF are antiquated and not fit for purpose in their current form. The sheer number of staff they employ is sacrilege
And the number of palaces and huge piles they own is just gobsmacking and ridiculous (28 of them)

Far more than any other European royal house.
I have nothing against them personally, but the whole shebang needs a major overhaul

They should be setting an example and not wait to be dragged into doing what is right and decent

It was perhaps the expectation that they'd "set an example" which got them onto this mess in the first place - that, and their own venal natures

To me, practically the whole bunch are talentless, immoral grifters with an Olympian sized sense of entitlement, but in that they're little different from so many of the grubby crowd they associate with
Maybe the real mistake was imagining they'd be any different, swallowing the clever PR and continuing to tolerate this farce for fear of something else being worse

Sorry, I am rambling on now ...

Meant to add though that you get the impression that Charles works hard but equally leads quite a pampered lifestyle. But the press rarely report on his activities so who knows?

Surely the RF could have made a start by slimming down the number of properties they own and get rid of the divisive "opposing offices" system where different households brief against one another. Rationalise the whole thing, and you would save money and prevent recent situations where Edward & Sophie's office over promote themselves and have to be slapped down.

@dontyouwish2

It now seems to be them "exercising their right" to come back

Also conjecture to be fair.
No evidence, nor even statements from H&M, who have contrary praised HM and pointed to a good relationship with zooms etc.

Of course they want to come back, briefly. Their "royal" credentials are slipping seriously in the U.S. and they need more "Her Majesty said to me" stories. And maybe visiting Windsor would make them feel better about the Obama snub

Has there been press saying they want to come back?
I haven't seen it.
Shock horror, if so, perhaps they want to see family. What a thing to do!
They need a right slagging off for that

This is the nonsensical and baseless level that H&M haters in the UK occupy whilst H&M hit the world stage on a big and impactful level.

H&M have risen well above this juvenile playground nonsense.

Sit back and observe their strategy. They are globally focused. They are big time. They do not intend to be dragged down into this silliness about imagined competitions between them and other Royals who spend their time cutting ribbons and doing low impact stuff within the borders of the UK.

H&M have progressed whilst the RF seems to be losing respect. It would be a good think for H&M to distance themselves from a failing, archaic institution that is an embarrassment worldwide for protecting someone who is accused of sexually abusing an trafficked underage girl and who are seen to have racist and colonial views that have no place in today’s society.

H&M would be fools to tie themselves too closely to that mess save for acknowledging they are part of the family.

They need to be seen hob nobbing with the royals. Hey we're still royal dont ya know. Pathetic.

Who days they NEED to do that?

Says