The "Royal Racist"

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The discussion is still rumbling on...
Over on the Daily Mail site there's yet another article about whether H&M will name names.
This I found was interestingly written as it only seems to mention one other family member...

@Aspiringmatriarch

The problem at the palace is that apparently as a person of colour, you are not believed if you accuse someone of racism. That lady who was called a fking n-word typist said HR asked for witnesses. Apparently at the palace you will have to walk around with a witness or a tape recorder.*

Exactly this. And there is so much evidence of racially problematic views and behaviour in the RF, not to mention evidence of how they've treated other women who married in. You really have to be invested in actively disbelieving and discrediting H&M to come up with these flimsy alternative scenarios IMO.

Don’t forget that there were actual internal policies until the 60s barring people of colour from holding any position higher than working in the kitchen area, out of sight. Cultural views take a long time to change especially when there is no effective challenge or voices within that institution to drive change.

In addition the Queen ensured the institution is exempt from equality laws. Now why would she feel a need to do that?

And in the Royal report in the Summer when the Sovereign Grant was doled out (up from £35M to £86M in 10 years)... each household gave out ethnic diversity figures (Charles and the Queen did) ... except William. His household declined to make that public, not sure what that says

but to point out that Harry should maybe put a bit more thought into some of his assumptions that everything would fall into place just as neatly as it would have if he'd married a white earl's daughter

Why the hell should he?
It's not him with the problem... it's the Establishment/members of the RF/courtiers/whoever (delete as appropriate)

but to point out that Harry should maybe put a bit more thought into some of his assumptions that everything would fall into place just as neatly as it would have if he'd married a white earl's daughter.

Just saw this as well Rousette. Appalling comment.

That's odd, William not releasing diversity figures. 🤔

@Aspiringmatriarch

but to point out that Harry should maybe put a bit more thought into some of his assumptions that everything would fall into place just as neatly as it would have if he'd married a white earl's daughter.

Just saw this as well Rousette. Appalling comment.

This kind of racist nonsense is why little profess is made on racism. Apparently it’s not the racist who have the problem but it’s the victims of racism that need to learn to bend to and accommodate the racist views of racists.

How dare Harry not pander to and be flexible to the racist views of racists?

If I remember correctly Harry was calling one of his army colleagues P* not that many years before he became woke.

@Thisbastardcomputer

If I remember correctly Harry was calling one of his army colleagues P* not that many years before he became woke.

And that friend came back saying he does not mind, as it was said to him by others in the squad as a joke. Everyone was called some kind of unPC or derogatory name. Harry should not have said it in public, that's for sure, especially in his position.

It’s good then that he has become woke to Racism & injustice .

so its ok for someone to be racist about Meghans child.....because Harry has been a plank in the past.
people keep bringing it up......people can change you know.

The person who called that lady the n word is Charles butler who is now resigning for the 3rd time and was in the front news headlines yesterday. He was retained after that comment. People are sweating about H&M possibly trading on their name. There are people in the palace literary trading on the royals, and it's not H&M.

@Thisbastardcomputer

If I remember correctly Harry was calling one of his army colleagues P* not that many years before he became woke.

So what does that mean? Does it mean that the RF cannot therefore be racist and that the comment about Archie’s skin colour could not have been made? Or does it mean Harry cannot speak up for his mixed race wife who is being abused because of her racial background? Does it mean that Harry has no right to change his behaviour now that he is more aware of the impact of casual as well as overt racism?

What exactly does your comment mean?

I think you’ll find that for many people of colour, Harry’s awakening to the existence of racism, the impact of racism, and his duty to be ant-racist is a welcomed example of what the rest of the RF should be doing. Harry has added reasons to be ant-racist because his wife, son and daughter (and his mother-in-law) are people of colour.

Exactly. Good on him for not holding on to racism.

@dontyouwish2

The person who called that lady the n word is Charles butler who is now resigning for the 3rd time and was in the front news headlines yesterday. He was retained after that comment. People are sweating about H&M possibly trading on their name. There are people in the palace literary trading on the royals, and it's not H&M.

Truths about the RF will continue to emerge and embarrass the UK given how they’ve treated H&M. Those truths are what are truly problematic for the RF. It’s not H&M exercising their right to leave a dying institution that’s the problem.

@Aspiringmatriarch

The gaslighting on here is something else. Clearly, they were being over sensitive. It wasn't meant like that. It's never meant in a racist way. It was somehow extrapolated from William advising Harry to take things slowly. It was about Eton, they've never had anyone non-white there.

It's so creepy.

Of course there are non-white boys at Eton, some of them on scholarships -

"Pupils and parents also spoke in their letter of the lack of racial diversity among staff at the school, where there are only two Black teachers. In terms of the cohort of pupils, more than one in five is from an ethnic minority, while one in 20 is Black. Mr Henderson (Eton H.M.) responds: ‘You are right that that is not reflected in the make-up of our teaching body,’ and pledges to try to increase the diversity among the teaching cohort. Eton has reportedly struggled to increase the number of job applications from ethnic minorities in the past"

Not a lot, but they seem to be trying

but to point out that Harry should maybe put a bit more thought into some of his assumptions that everything would fall into place just as neatly as it would have if he'd married a white earl's daughter.

Meghan should have been treated exactly as a white, American actress would have been. Just with the added protections and considerations that might be needed because of her race.

I’m not a fan of H&M, as my posting history reflects, but to suggest that in 2018 we should expect or accept race to be an issue in the RF is just awful.

An Earl’s daughter could be assumed to have more knowledge on the social etiquette required in official situations but other than that, I don’t think Meghan should have any more issue “slotting in” to royal life. She’s been privately educated and her career is to learn to “play roles” so there’s no reason to assume otherwise.

Realistically, she’s a non-aristocratic, privately educated woman who forged a career pre-RF. She’s actually very similar to Kate in background. Her race should have been irrelevant, just with things in place to ensure her protection from racists.

" It’s not H&M exercising their right to leave a dying institution that’s the problem."

It now seems to be them "exercising their right" to come back. If I were HM I'd be worried that they're looking for more fuel to reveal in their next tell-all. It's a difficult one. If she refuses to see then she's prolonging the family rift; if she does see them - god knows what they will broadcast back in L.A

That situation with Charles and the valet seems very grubby and troubling. They're so arrogant.

It now seems to be them "exercising their right" to come back

What... back to the RF? Giving up their life in the US?
There's never been a problem between the Queen and Harry, except on MN threads.

@Roussette

It now seems to be them "exercising their right" to come back

What... back to the RF? Giving up their life in the US?
There's never been a problem between the Queen and Harry, except on MN threads.

Conjecture. How do you know the state of the personal relationship between the Queen and Prince Harry? Are you a close, personal confidant?

Prince Charles married a white Earl’s daughter , that went well.

The person who called that lady the n word is Charles butler who is now resigning for the 3rd time and was in the front news headlines yesterday. He was retained after that comment. People are sweating about H&M possibly trading on their name. There are people in the palace literary trading on the royals, and it's not H&M

Vile man. Fawcett the Fence was pretty adept at flogging royal gifts. And now flogging titles.
Yet Charles has stuck with him. Says it all.

It now seems to be them "exercising their right" to come back

Also conjecture to be fair.
No evidence, nor even statements from H&M, who have contrary praised HM and pointed to a good relationship with zooms etc.

How do you know the state of the personal relationship between the Queen and Prince Harry?
Are you a close, personal confidant?

Yeah... he's just sent me a WhatsApp

@SpindleWhorl

That situation with Charles and the valet seems very grubby and troubling. They're so arrogant.

It's a proper scandal.

That was reported over the weekend, so that it is not discussed in morning shows. I don't think GMB and BBC even gave these news the time of day.

Vile man. Fawcett the Fence was pretty adept at flogging royal gifts. And now flogging titles.
Yet Charles has stuck with him. Says it all.

Well he was awarded with half a million from that offence. He also lives in a Dutchy home that also costs around half a million for his troubles. Don't get me started on the sexual abuse scandal.

He is said to be temporarily stepping down. I assume it will be kept quiet, and next time we hear about him is when he is stepping down a 4th time because of another scandal.