The "Royal Racist"

[GrimDamnFanjo]

The discussion is still rumbling on...
Over on the Daily Mail site there's yet another article about whether H&M will name names.
This I found was interestingly written as it only seems to mention one other family member...

He can't help but be given he's the grandson, or son or brother of the reigning British monarch.

Just like PA will always be a Royal. Unfortunately.

Great posts Anothermountain & so much more eloquently put than me.

Some people do meet in the middle but it’s always a compromise at least in my situation. I’ve several British cousins who’ve married from my dad’s country as well & adapting gets harder from what I’ve seen when it comes to schooling choices.

Another who’s husband died in the home country, was on the first plane back to the U.K. at the earliest opportunity.

It’s not just family & friends you miss, it’s the little things as well. As one cousin says who knew she’d love British winters as much as she now craves & loathes July & August where she is! But she loves her husband & so makes it work. Anyway this is nothing really to do with the thread title so I’ll shut up now.

It's interesting so carry on!

I also think, different or unusual pairings can prove the most successful, its very much the case in our family.
What, on paper, is the most perfect match goes all wrong, and the odds against couples, are thriving after decades.

Maybe this shapes my opinion on H&M and the chances of it working!

I agree @Anothermountain - you put it very well exactly how I felt about living in the US. I did also love it there, but it's not quite the same as home!

MissMarpleRocks I think you are dead right about education being very much a "pivotal decision" in terms of integration. Whether to go local, international, or opt for boarding school. I can't see H & M opting for the latter and I imagine being able to shield their dc from exposure to English tabloids might outweigh any other compromise they have to make! (Although many pps on these threads say the US press is just as bad.) I imagine their status and money will be able to buy them a certain degree of privacy though.

It can work the other way too. Not an option for H&M probably, but we went local and it opened up.a totally new culture to us, which we were able to learn about, to a certain extent through our dc as they progressed, which led to better integration and good local friends.

I am wary of international.schools which place dc in an elitist bubble (although sometimes, owing to language issues, parents don't have any option).

It's a shame H & M's dc won't know their cousins or grandmother, but it's not as if they would be popping over for a sleepover and cocoa

@Roussette

It's interesting so carry on!

I also think, different or unusual pairings can prove the most successful, its very much the case in our family.
What, on paper, is the most perfect match goes all wrong, and the odds against couples, are thriving after decades.

Maybe this shapes my opinion on H&M and the chances of it working!

Dh and I are a mixed couple. He’s an Arab Muslim and I’m white British. We had so many people telling us we were making a mistake. It was caused us so much stress. We’ve been together for almost 30 years now. I did however struggle living in dh’s country once children came along. I wanted them to have a British education.

Sorry, that should have said great-grandmother.

Rousette I know a couple who have made it work against all the odds - two different religions and cultures - and the fact that both of their immediate families objected , made them all the stronger somehow They've had to make some difficult schooling choices though, and even decide what language (out of a choice of three) will be spoken predominantly at home.

Gilmore that's good to hear but I'm sure it's been a rocky road at times

Sorry managed to miss your post there Gilmore . Hope you and your DH have a fantastic 30 year wedding anniversary celebration!

JacquelineCarlyle it's a very strange thing, I love my adopted country, but I am not really "at home" here or in UK any more .

I never really saw Harry as a square peg in a round hole . He must be a good actor because I always got the impression he loved his life especially when he was hanging out with W and C . As for polo well he certainly looked happy playing in that recent charity match.

I agree with Roussette in that Harry was looking for a way out for some time, and Meghan provided him with that. His plans to live in Africa, do conservation work, pull out of the royal family, were all expressed long before Meghan.
He has an enviable lifestyle, California mansion by the beach, nannies, housekeepers, private jets, hob nobbing with the Obamas, Clooneys, Elton John etc. Nothing he doesn't want to do.
He said recently that travelling to London was "triggering". I think he'll stay in California, Archie and Lilibet will go to school there and be totally American.

Well he's not mixing with the Obamas ! which stands to reason, many reasons.
He has a nice life if he has the emotional capacity to lay down his weapons and just start enjoying it. But i suspect the drama will continue for years.

@PearlyRising - I think "lay down his weapons" is an excellent phrase. He doesn't seem to want to live in peace, move on, and acknowledge the immensely wealthy and privileged situation that he's in.
He seems to want to get revenge in some way and punish his family, which isn't going to end well.
It puts me in mind of a Greek tragedy.

*oldbitstillgotit"
There were many many articles about how he really didn't like his royal life and they must've come from somewhere!
I can't link to anything because of the device I'm on.

Harry is not royalty in his mind. He IS actual royalty.

Why is everyone trying to shift the racist thing to working members now. H&M were quite clear that it's a family member, just as it's a family member who told MM that she was all over the place despite staying at home.

They took great pains to differentiate between the family and the institution. And it seems their main gripe is with the institution (or the men in grey as Diana said).

Quite convenient that pp are trying to gag Harry from talking about his life when they had absolutely no qualms with the press dragging his wife all over the place.

What did they actually say? Do we know?

I think Harry will be fine in California, he is not at the backwaters of the America.

The culture is familiar and he has been there lots of times. His cousins, have lived there. One of the York sisters lived in NY for years and they were seen partying together with Harry in LA plenty of times. Prince of Michael son has lived there for years and has children born there. None of them sound like they missed out on anything family related. H's BFF from school lives there, as well as the bff from army.

The US also has great schools, that people from the UK specifically leave for - randomly pick any private school in the UK and there is surprisingly high number of students who transfer to US universities. If one of the children wanted to take after their parents with work, MIC etc is not far away. There are also options for UK education should they wish. Whereas years ago, you either went home or they send you UK products that you like, nowadays all major cities have several international shops or you just Amazon for your UK products.

I can understand people who move to a very different culture like say Middle East, Asia, Africa etc. but this is not the case here..

People had been hoping for a while now that this couple splits, truth is, all those obstacles they place in front of them, may unintentionally have brought them closer together than they would have been.

@PearlyRising

Well he's not mixing with the Obamas ! which stands to reason, many reasons. He has a nice life if he has the emotional capacity to lay down his weapons and just start enjoying it. But i suspect the drama will continue for years.

How do you know that they are not hob-knobing with the Obamas? Is it because of the made up story that they have fallen out because H&M did not attend Obama’s birthday bash?

Have you ever read Barack’s and Michelle’s books? If you have, you’ll know they are not fair weather friends and besides, they would never side with a hateful press you have hounded Meghan because she is mixed race. Obama himself is mixed race. Both he and Michelle understand racism and it’s dangerous tentacles and how it takes form. Goodness, Barack and Michelle themselves have been at the receiving end of horrendous racism driven by the media whilst in office. The Daily Mail has nothing good to say about them. Do you really think they would give right wing press such pleasure by abandoning their friendship with Harry and Meghan because the Daily Mail is waging a war against this young couple? You think Barack and Michelle would want to be seen currying favours with an institution that’s outdated and whose wealth came on the backs of racism and colonialism?

There is no evidence that they are not friends. Barack and Meghan share the same birthday and she has two young kids including a newborn. So it made no sense for them to be invited or attend Barack’s birthday bash.

The nice thing is that since leaving the UK, their business are kept under wraps and there’s none of those constant leaks. So we will see who is friends with who in the future.

Furthermore Harry and Meghan are popular in the US, so there’s no reason why the Obamas would prefer to curry favours with the hostile British media vs the much friendlier American media.

It's bloody obvious it's either Charles or Camilla
It would be "damaging" to him as the next king
The relationship between Charles and Harry is strained - is this why?
DM hints at Camilla
MM implied she's "forgiven Kate for allegedly making her cry so it won't be Kate
Harry has said William is still his brother
Both brothers were at the statue unveiling

So it Charles or Camilla

That so called Obama falling out is another wishful thinking to talk badly about the couple.

Remember how MM was supposed to be dropped by Serena, her friend Jessica, Beyonce etc.

Only to have these people go on sm later and write supportive messages to the couple and recently Beyonce included Harry on her Virgo tributes. Oops.

Yes, agree with that process of elimination

It may all come out in the autobiography.
Or he may just make more insinuations.

Roussette

*oldbitstillgotit"
There were many many articles about how he really didn't like his royal life and they must've come from somewhere!

I am not disbelieving you I simply don’t remember reading anything as specific as that . I remember reading that he would like to live in Africa however the impression given ( in my opinion ) was that he still wanted to be Prince Harry but immerse himself in charity work .
I still maintain he always looked cheery when was out and about and crowds loved him especially when he with W and C .

If he was so deeply unhappy he could have put his titles into abeyance and led a relatively private life .
I hope he is happy

Excuse ant typos - have broken my wrist and typing with left hand only 😢