The "Royal Racist"

[GrimDamnFanjo]

The discussion is still rumbling on...
Over on the Daily Mail site there's yet another article about whether H&M will name names.
This I found was interestingly written as it only seems to mention one other family member...

@Dbank

So in summary, we don't know what was said or by whom.

We can make our own assumptions and then present them as facts to suit our own agendas.

If someone actually said something racist, M&H should have the conviction to say what was said and by whom.

Why should they have the conviction to say who said it? Can you explain this?

They said what was said and was wise in evaluating that on balance it is best not to say who but it is right and their duty to expose part of the underbelly of the RF. The RF are not only funded by white people.Those whose skin colour may be deemed less than desirable have a right to know that a member or members of thr RF harbour these thoughts. Not that it would have surprised anyone who understands Britain’s colonial past.

They said what was said They didn't

“ their duty to expose part of the underbelly of the RF.”

We can’t assume that the RF is some sort of homogenous entity with a hive mind - as a family (personal) or institution (professional). If they are accusing the professional entity of the RF of institutional racism then they need to do that explicitly and provide specific facts that can be investigated. If it’s their family they are accusing then they either need to be specific about who and what was said in public, or do it in private. They are punishing all of them for the actions of one and that is not fair play.

Why should they have the conviction to say who said it? Can you explain this?

Because, imo, what they did wasn't calling out racisim. Wasn't confronting it.

They were vague about what was said. So no, as a mixed race person, I don't feel that I 'know' anything. If I have a right to know, as a WoC who lives in England, then why don't I know?

Also saying 'something racist was said but I am not saying what it was or who said it' isn't fulfilling this 'duty' you seem to think they have.

They didn't call out racism. Calling out racisim or drawing attention to racism or holding people accountable for racism, is not giving some vague information.

Its also not fulfilling this 'right to know' you think I have.

They said what was said and was wise in evaluating that on balance it is best not to say who but it is right and their duty to expose part of the underbelly of the RF.

On balance they decided it’s best not to say who?

Sorry, but if you are going to make a serious accusation of racism there is no ‘balance’ to be made.

If they felt it their right and their duty to call it out then do it properly and don’t leave any grey areas.

@ Hekatestorch
Another thoughtful , relevant post .

I mainly lurk but just wanted to say @Hekatestorch I don't find your posts boring at all.

@Oldbutstillgotit

@ Hekatestorch Another thoughtful , relevant post .

Agree @Oldbutstillgotit I nod along to all @Hekatestorch posts on here.

Oldbutstillgotit

@ Hekatestorch
Another thoughtful , relevant post

Yep… definitely…

@StormzyinaTCup

They said what was said and was wise in evaluating that on balance it is best not to say who but it is right and their duty to expose part of the underbelly of the RF.

On balance they decided it’s best not to say who?

Sorry, but if you are going to make a serious accusation of racism there is no ‘balance’ to be made.

If they felt it their right and their duty to call it out then do it properly and don’t leave any grey areas.

You mean you think there is no balance to be made. I think it is absolutely right to strike a good balance between naming the abuse but not shaming the abuser given what I s at stake.

They made their decision and they seem happy with it. No need to burst blood vessels and stamping feet.

I very happy they are happy, more so to see those who dislike them spending precious moments angrily saying how thoroughly bad these two are.

Gosh! Hekatastorch has got quite the fan club! Who's club secretary and are there signed photos?

@Why2why

“No need to burst blood vessels and stamping feet.

I very happy they are happy, more so to see those who dislike them spending precious moments angrily saying how thoroughly bad these two are.”

I don’t think this is an accurate characterisation. I’d say the interesting aspect of this discussion is moderate and focused on exploring the relative veracity of specific behaviours/ incidents. This is perfectly reasonable when two people, with high levels of influence, are making serious allegations within the the public sphere.

I couldn’t walk into my workplace and make similar accusations without precision and expect universal support and effective action.

[quote StuckInATent]@Why2why

“No need to burst blood vessels and stamping feet.

I very happy they are happy, more so to see those who dislike them spending precious moments angrily saying how thoroughly bad these two are.”

I don’t think this is an accurate characterisation. I’d say the interesting aspect of this discussion is moderate and focused on exploring the relative veracity of specific behaviours/ incidents. This is perfectly reasonable when two people, with high levels of influence, are making serious allegations within the the public sphere.

I couldn’t walk into my workplace and make similar accusations without precision and expect universal support and effective action.[/quote]
But it is not your workplace and extremely far removed from any ordinary workplace situation.

Moreover, your ability to scrutinise the veracity of something that was said between some people, who were not in your presence is futile nonsense.

You want to believe they are lying and that is that. Employing your psychic techniques is just wasting everybody’s time and leading you to think way too highly of your ability to verify something you know nothing about.

@PicsInRed

I still think they held back the name in the hope this senior royal would leave them alone, call off the media contacts who are publishing the harassing stories, and simply let them live the rest of their lives at distance.

I'm sure there is also a lot of pressure to protect the Crown and the institution of Monarchy by holding back on revealing anything which may tarnish the "good heir" we've all been told is waiting for us if we'll only put up with the unpopular one for a few years.

Unfortunately, the pathology of "the person" who said "the thing" is that he will never allow Harry to "prevail" by having a happy peaceful life and family with a beautiful WoC American actress Harry freely chose. This always went well beyond normal sibling rivalry.

In time, H&M will lose patience with the endless smears and will name names and deeds. The inevitability, combined with the potential consequences, almost adds up to a Greek tragedy and depending on the outcomes above, in 300 years it could be an entire History module taught in schools.

Yes, I suspect that the person is the one behind the smear. Or at least has the power to put a stop to it.

The palace clearly know who it is, they never said, we will thoroughly investigate the circumstances and take it seriously. They exposed themselves actually and show that yes, the racism is at the core of the RF as an institution.

@Why2why this entire thread is futile nonsense… never been under the illusion it’s anything else.

I can actually envisage a scenario like this:

Brother 1: Now look, bro. I think you slow down a bit, yah? You need to be sure of things, like wifey and I were, you know? That's all I'm saying.
Brother 2: That's rich coming from someone who shagged the neighbour.
Brother 1: You're not thinking this through! What about future children? Are you both ready for what the media might say about them?
Brother 2: Meaning??
Brother 1: You know exactly what I mean.
Brother 2: I don't fucking believe this. Don't you dare tell me what to do, you hypocritical, over-privileged wanker.
STORMS OUT OF ROOM. FROST DESCENDS OVER THE KINGDOM OF NARNIA.

@SpindleWhorl

🤣🤣 highly likely!

Brother 2: That's rich coming from someone who shagged the neighbour.

Uh oh, here come the cease and desist letters, and I'm picturing the post box like Harry Potter's own. Whoosh.

@PicsInRed

Brother 2: That's rich coming from someone who shagged the neighbour.

Uh oh, here come the cease and desist letters, and I'm picturing the post box like Harry Potter's own. Whoosh.

Narnia, mate. It happened in Narnia between King Peter and King Edmund.

@SpindleWhorl

I can actually envisage a scenario like this:

Brother 1: Now look, bro. I think you slow down a bit, yah? You need to be sure of things, like wifey and I were, you know? That's all I'm saying.
Brother 2: That's rich coming from someone who shagged the neighbour.
Brother 1: You're not thinking this through! What about future children? Are you both ready for what the media might say about them?
Brother 2: Meaning??
Brother 1: You know exactly what I mean.
Brother 2: I don't fucking believe this. Don't you dare tell me what to do, you hypocritical, over-privileged wanker.
STORMS OUT OF ROOM. FROST DESCENDS OVER THE KINGDOM OF NARNIA.

And this is why Harry's accusation was cruel. It enables people like you to make baseless assertions.

Narnia, mate. It happened in Narnia between King Peter and King Edmund.

Yes, that is true.

But the cease and desist will come straight from Hogwarts, and they sure are persistent in delivery.

@milveycrohn

If they name names, the person concerned could a) deny it, and b) sue for libel? This way the RF are all tarred, and speculation continues. Maybe whoever it was supposed to be, does not actually realise it was him/her. Apparently the remarks (whatever they were) were said to Harry before Meghan was pregnant, and repeated by Harry to Meghan when she was a) pregnant with Archie and b) suicidal.

I don't think anything was actually said.

I also struggle why Meghan is bothered about this remark yet married a racist who called army mates by racist terms and dresses up in Nazi clothing

I don’t think it’s fair to continue to refer to PH past indiscretions, we all did things we did when we were younger that we now regret. He has matured since then and hopefully learnt from his mistakes.

Wouldn't bank on that Pixxie7.