The "Royal Racist"

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The discussion is still rumbling on...
Over on the Daily Mail site there's yet another article about whether H&M will name names.
This I found was interestingly written as it only seems to mention one other family member...

@Andylion

* But then, lots of people knew she would curtesy to the Queen and were shocked she didn't know. I do wonder if she got so wrapped up in the California celebrity life, she assumed non of this really happened heind closed doors.

But then her claim she knew nothing about him is just bonkers. Not sure anyone believed that. So do think she is also trying to spin things. It's very clear she did know a fair bit about the Royal family before meeting him.*

I only watched the OW interview once, so I might be wrong, but wasn't the curtsy issue that Meghan didn't realize that she would need to curtsy to HMQ in private, not just at public functions? That would make sense.
However, I agree that her claim that she knew nothing about him is doubtful.

But, I have always been aware they treat the queen as the Queen behind closed doors. And at the point she met the Queen, she was simply Harry's girlfriend.

After the Queen was crowned her own mother had to curtsy to her. Her grandsons girlfriend, isn't really anyone of huge importance in protocol.

But I do think Harry down played how important protocol was AND due to her back ground believed that behind closed doors these things didn't happen.

But again, surely when the meeting with the Queen was requested and organised someone else would have explained protocol. But I know she said she didn't have any help with that sort of thing, which she did. But I don't believe they never had a call or met with someone who explained all this to her.

My dad has met the Queen, several times, in a professional capacity and everyone gets explained what they are to do and say. No matter how experienced they are. Maybe I am wrong. But I can't believe, no one at least tried to explain it to her before.

I just imagine, anyone meeting the Queen in any capacity hasn't had even a short coaching session.

@Roussette

All total supposition. I agree we don't know.

Of course it is. The vast majority of the thread is because of the huge holes in the story.

But I don't see how if he thought it was fine at the time, then didn't. The thought it was fine to leave that part out of the interview, how that's OK.

I put a theory to that upthread at 09.55 which I can imagine happened.

@Roussette

I put a theory to that upthread at 09.55 which I can imagine happened.

Just been and had a read.

I can see that point. However, that doesn't explain why she didn't know when that comment took place. By not telling her, he made them both look silly in the interview. If you are going to level the accusations, you need some factual information.

In regards to wether he pulled them on it, if he did pull them in private, it didn't happen again. Or he would have said that in the interview. That it continued despite pulling them. So why mention it all?

He felt someone said something racist. He pulled them they learned from it. But it was worth bringing up at an interview and implicating many members of his family in this? Doesn't say it continued. Doesn't mention they took it on board?

I get that it seems to make sense to you. But it absolutely doesn't make sense to me.

By not telling her, he made them both look silly in the interview. If you are going to level the accusations, you need some factual information

But they weren't on the stand in court

Given what they were being put through and the fact that their characters were still being tarnished after the left, after all this time as Meghan puts it, you think they should have kept silent and protect the embarrassment of the RF? The racist, whoever they are clearly did not take it onboard because the attacks on Meghan and Harry continued and the Palace aided these attacks.

You wanted them to put up and shut up and only paint a rosy picture that did not exist?

Now now @Rousette, you can’t say this is all supposition and then say you put a theory forward which you can imagine happened 🤣🤣

@Roussette

By not telling her, he made them both look silly in the interview. If you are going to level the accusations, you need some factual information

But they weren't on the stand in court

Ah right. You can just chat shit and only tell your wife half a tale, if you aren't in court. Even if it's going to cause problems for your family. I see.

But it's not even that. If he has told her half a tale, why should anyone believe him on the rest of it?

If dp told me his family said something racist about me but only told me parts of it or lied when it happened, I would be furious.

@Why2why

Given what they were being put through and the fact that their characters were still being tarnished after the left, after all this time as Meghan puts it, you think they should have kept silent and protect the embarrassment of the RF? The racist, whoever they are clearly did not take it onboard because the attacks on Meghan and Harry continued and the Palace aided these attacks.

You wanted them to put up and shut up and only paint a rosy picture that did not exist?

Who said that?

I just don't want to listen to a very privileged white man, chat shit and then be told I have to believe it because his mixed race wife believed him. Even when it's clear he wasn't honest with her.

Because this is about qether I believe her or not. Its about wether I believe him or not. And I don't.

ahhh smilesy I called it a 'theory'. Mine is supposition too, don't deny that

Theories are what this is all about!

Hekatestorch

I am just saying, it was a chat, an interview of sorts and the amount it's picked to pieces will never please those who are looking for discrepancies.
Yes, it didn't suit you.

You don't believe him... your prerogative

@Roussette

Hekatestorch

I am just saying, it was a chat, an interview of sorts and the amount it's picked to pieces will never please those who are looking for discrepancies.
Yes, it didn't suit you.

You don't believe him... your prerogative

It wasn't just a chat or an interview ,of sorts'. It was a really important 'tell all' interview. Extremely important to them and the creating media attention for them to help further their new careers. Where they were going to tell everyone why they left.

And they didn't even have the same story.

Noticing that she thinks it happened when she was already pregnant, when it happened before they were even married isn't picking it to pieces. It's noticing that they said 2 different things.

And it, imo, cast Harry in a bad light. That he hid information that was extremely important and would have impacted her decision to marry him and give up her own life. Until it suited him to tell, isn't good and doesn't make me think he is trustworthy.

Your opinion, that's fine.

You’re making up your own story about the nature and content of the conversation between Meghan and Harry. Then you’re deciding whether or not you believe the made-up stuff you claimed was the conversation between them.

Very bizarre. Or maybe you were a fly on the wall?

You can sleep well tonight knowing that neither of them cares whether or not you believe them or the conversation you made up between them.

@Why2why

You’re making up your own story about the nature and content of the conversation between Meghan and Harry. Then you’re deciding whether or not you believe the made-up stuff you claimed was the conversation between them.

Very bizarre. Or maybe you were a fly on the wall?

You can sleep well tonight knowing that neither of them cares whether or not you believe them or the conversation you made up between them.

I actually haven't made anything up and said anything happened.

I have used the information we have and followed through my thought process.

I haven't said anything definitely happened or didn't happen. I even said, we will never know exactly what went on.

There's huge holes in the story.

Why would any think that they care what's been said on MN?

Do you think they are reading this and going to be so impressed with you ignoring the massive holes on their story? Do you think you will receive a DM because you defended Harry so gallantly?

One of the most privileged people, alive today and you think they care either way 🤣

One of the most privileged people, alive today and you think they care either way

Good grief, no. Not anywhere near one of the most privileged people alive today. That's just plain daft.
And... get this... they support themselves... how's that compared to our Royal family then???

Can I suggest Lulu you don't read about them then?

You've stopped reading apart them, didn't watch the OW interview, yet you are posting nasty insults about the two of them.

How weird to be 'sick of them' yet do that. Your post is vile.

@Roussette

One of the most privileged people, alive today and you think they care either way

Good grief, no. Not anywhere near one of the most privileged people alive today. That's just plain daft.
And... get this... they support themselves... how's that compared to our Royal family then???

You think Prince Harry. White, a Prince, millionaire through inheritance, part of the UK Royal family which helped to secure million dollar deals, isn't one of the most privilege people Alive today?

And yes they support themselves, but are you going to pretend him being a Prince didn't help that? And that he is, in some ways, now (in some ways) more privileged as he isn't constrained as much as when he was a working Royal.

I don't really like the Royal Family. I wasn't aware I had to take one side or the other?

I am pretty sure I can, as I have said before, there was probably wrong on both sides.

Of course being a prince helped that, where have I denied that??

I'm talking about now.

I haven;t said you have to take one side or the other, but if you want to read that into it....

Yes, wrong on both sides... more on one side than the other, but yes.

@Roussette

Of course being a prince helped that, where have I denied that??

I'm talking about now.

I haven;t said you have to take one side or the other, but if you want to read that into it....

Yes, wrong on both sides... more on one side than the other, but yes.

Yes right now he is still a Prince, still benefiting from a title given to him for being born. Right now, he is still being given opportunities because of the family he was born into.

Do you believe Bob, ex squaddie who worked in his family business after leaving the military has the same chance of making himself a multi millionaire?

They are all privileged. Including him. And they will all benefit from their privilege their entire lives.

You, for some reason, brought the Royal family and how they are funded into it. Why mention it at all if its not about taking sides. Your 'ah ha they at least fund themselves' means nothing. Especially, when he expected sympathy that he didn't get the benefits of his job when he quit ad complained he had to fund himself. Poor multi millionaire, has to fund his family after quitting his job. That's privilege right there

How privileged the RF are, doesn't impact how privileged he is. So where the relevance to what I said?

Yes, I know where I believe more blame lies.

Yes right now he is still a Prince, still benefiting from a title given to him for being born. Right now, he is still being given opportunities because of the family he was born into

Come back to me on that one when PA is stripped of his titles maybe..

Your 'ah ha they at least fund themselves' means nothing

It means everything. They've done everything asked of them. Apart from the titles which hinges on PA.

We won't agree on this for one minute, so I will leave you to it.. they aren't here, they are not doing or saying anything, yet you have to write these long posts about how awful they are.

Your opinion, that is all.
Many don't feel like you do.

Meghan and Harry are not very nice people.

Come back to me on that one when PA is stripped of his titles maybe.

What has PA got to do with Harry's privilege? I don't think PH should be stripped of it. But he is definitely benefitting from it.

PA is a vile human being. But he has nothing to do with PH and his privilege.

It means everything. They've done everything asked of them. Apart from the titles which hinges on PA.

Again, what does that have to do with Privileged Harry is? They may have done everything that was asked of them.

He is still one of the most privileged people on the planet.

We won't agree on this for one minute, so I will leave you to it.. they aren't here, they are not doing or saying anything, yet you have to write these long posts about how awful they are.

No I haven't. I have said I don't believe Harry and I think he has acted for his own agenda at the expense of his wife. I haven't said I dislike Meghan at all. Or that she is awful.

I have said several times that I believe she genuinely believes what he has told her. It's him I don't believe.

And no I definitely won't agree that PH is not immensely privileged.

They aren't here but you writing posts with irrelevant points such as where their money now comes from and about PA, so you can pretend the Poor white male Royal Millionaire isn't privileged.

Whether you are privileged doesn't depend on where you income comes from.

Ah @rousette you're like the stereotypical irish mammy defending her son when it comes to H&M! The lens through which you see all of their attention and valudation-seeking, point-scoring, self-pitying, and money-making is just so, so, rosy. It's a real love story.