Charles financially supported the Sussexes until summer 2020

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news.sky.com/story/duke-and-charles-paid-substantial-sum-to-harry-and-meghan-after-megxit-but-couple-paid-back-rent-for-frogmore-cottage-12340192

Prince Harry revealed in his Oprah interview that the Sussexes stopped receiving money from the royal family in the first quarter of 2020. However, newly published accounts reveal that Prince Charles continued to financially support the Sussexes until summer 2020.

I wonder if this is going to be a case of their truth or incorrect wording on Harry’s behalf. Interesting!

On the trolling stats, it is yet another manipulation. First of all the study is questionable if you look at it. However, even if you give credibility to it, here is the thing, trolling is not just about Twitter. Why are they restricting the sample only to Twitter and choosing a non-random sample of tweets?

If you consider trolling by the media, in print, online forums, breakfast news, and general news, no one can come close to the trolling of Meghan Markle. There was even a Question Time portion dedicated to a question about her. Question Time!!!! I was shocked that a reputable programme like that allowed this.

BUT they would have you believe that the fact is a small sample of selected tweets. Forget about trolling in print, breakfast programmes, Piers Morgan, news, etc. She is lying because we decide trolling is only based on Twitter and our selected sample.

It is scary how manipulative these anti-H&M people are but for me the question is why.

I was surprised to learn that whilst we are all belly arching about Meghan and Harry that laws are being passed for us to produce ID for us to vote. Many of the poor in society do not have a driving licence or passport. The UK does not have a problem of voter fraud.

@smilesy

“Meghan Markle was the most trolled person, male or female, in the world. What has this woman done to deserve this?”

I thought that when Meghan made this claim, which was like a red tag to a bull to those who want to analyse this sort of thing, she was actually behind Adele and Gemma Collins 🤷‍♀️

I’ve just googled this survey, and found an article saying that Adele was trolled more than Meghan. But it looked at % of mentions that were negative vs positive, and Adele had fewer negative tweets than Meghan but a higher % of her total mentions in tweets were negative. Therefore the survey said she was trolled more. Meghan had more total tweets, and a higher % were positive. You could argue that sheer number of negative tweets is worse, or you could argue that having a higher % of negative tweets is worse as you don’t have the positive to balance it out. But either way, it’s pretty unpleasant, I wouldn’t want to be in either one’s position and I don’t think that knowing she has more positive tweets than Adele is really going to help Meghan.

There’s also the fact that not every negative tweet is going to really be trolling is it. It’s perfectly possible to tweet a negative opinion eg “I don’t like Adele’s music” which would presumably come up as negative in an algorithm, but isn’t trolling.

Any threat is a threat. I just find it amusing that posters on here dismiss it like it is absolutely nothing.

So Camilla Tominey’s family should get taxpayer funded police protection for the foreseeable then, based on a the email sent to her yesterday, then?

There’s some excellent posts in this thread about the availability of protection services. They are expensive, and so aren’t there to provide a safety blanket or to satisfy egos.

The relevant parties (the Met plus I imagine the Security Services) will conduct a risk assessment to decide on the threats the person might face and their likelihood. Risk Assessment practice normally means plotting these on two axes - impact and likelihood. The ones that land into the top quadrant, where both scores are high, tend to be the prioritised risks.

I have no idea of the relevant organisation’s expertise and experience here, but looking at their current practice, obviously not all members of the royal family are prioritised for protection. The fact of threats alone is not decisive - I imagine most of them receive threats at some time or another. Many will be from people who are mentally unwell, of course, with a few from politically motivated people.

@Wanttocry agreed, but also Meghan said she was “told” she was the most trolled and didn’t quote any statistics at all. So I think it’s all a bit irrelevant really.

Smileys it’s not irrelevant because she is the most trolled and it has an impact. You would not be able to handle a fraction of what she is experiencing so it is not irrelevant. No one else in the world has faced the amount of negativity. Trolling is not just a small sample of Twitter. Include the media and she wins hands down.

The negativity is self-evident. You do not need a pill or study to know that the level and depth of hatred towards her in the UK is immense and irrational.

@Coolandclamy eh?

Oops posted too soon. I was referring to the who was trolled most claim. I didn’t say she hasn’t been trolled. I can’t understand why it needs to be a competition when it’s difficult to prove either way, that all.

Being the most trolled matters and it’s not a competition. No one said it was except those who try to discredit her claim. Her claim was not in the context of a competition but to illustrate how abuse is not victimless.

The study that sought to discredit her claim is extremely bias and the narrative questionable. That too is important because yet again manipulation is on display. I continue to ask why.

Serenster you obviously know more about security than me.

I stand by my post, any threat is a threat.

As far as CT, that threat is still being investigated.

@ Roussette of course any threat is a threat, but I think the point is you can’t react to all threats on the same level. It’s like carrying out a risk assessment in a place of work. You have to decide the degree of danger or threat and act accordingly. It is neither necessary or cost effective to employ security for a threat that is not particularly credible, just because it has been made. I think Harry feels he needs security mainly because he has always had it, not necessarily because he is in danger.

It's strange - Adele is someone that produces content - H&M don't produce anything other than grievances and regular conflicting stories from their PR spokesperson to keep them current.

Obviously there's also the sprinkling of legal threats against family/media, damning RF as racist institution/then name child after head of institution. Not to mention oversharing private conversations but legal threats against anyone that does the same to them.

H&M get headlines for trying to live the life of someone that produces content that people are interested in, but they don't produce anything other than regular hypocrisy. So, yes - they receive negative headlines for not realising they are Kardashian style zlebs etc and not in a position to preach to anyone.

I'd be more concerned about why Adele generates so many negative headlines and literally sings for her own supper. H&M get negative because they supply regular bemused shock at the latest bout of over sharing/slow motion tragi-comedy in action.

As soon as H&M live the private life and stop oversharing they will disappear from view.

Adele it seems won't have that option of disappearing. H&M can live a private life but choose not to as they choose to make their income from selling their sub-brand of UK RF. That's how they intend to generate funds for the lifestyle they feel they deserve.

Frankly you and your little SS chums on here are laughable

Is that the best you can do? Why do you have to insult people?

Just to let you know, MNHQ do not take kindly to pathetic insinuations like that.

Thanks for reminding me to do another post on Andrew There will be one coming up.

@Roussette

Frankly you and your little SS chums on here are laughable

Is that the best you can do? Why do you have to insult people?

Just to let you know, MNHQ do not take kindly to pathetic insinuations like that.

Thanks for reminding me to do another post on Andrew There will be one coming up.

I was being polite.

We all know you and your friends fly in on these posts to spread 'your truth.'

Doesn't much matter now, H&M are finished, its just a matter of time before they implode 🤷🏻‍♀️

Your post says all I need to know about you.

Martha, what’s the evidence of them being finished? All I can see is that they are thriving DESPITE the abuse. Can you list the facts that has lead you to your conclusion beside the media fake news peddled by sources and royal experts?

The things H&M are engaged in seem to be doing very well AROUND the world. A world that’s much bigger than the UK and the US.

Books, podcasts, TV programmes seem to be doing pretty well. The media and the carnival of experts and inside sources have even built lucrative careers on the backs of these two. Do you think these experts want to lose their source of income?

Don’t hold your breath for an implosion because even their haters need them to do well otherwise these haters will lose a nice fat source of income.

Open your eyes. You are being manipulated and used and you are not the beneficiary of any of this.

@Coolandclamy

Martha, what’s the evidence of them being finished? All I can see is that they are thriving DESPITE the abuse. Can you list the facts that has lead you to your conclusion beside the media fake news peddled by sources and royal experts?

The things H&M are engaged in seem to be doing very well AROUND the world. A world that’s much bigger than the UK and the US.

Books, podcasts, TV programmes seem to be doing pretty well. The media and the carnival of experts and inside sources have even built lucrative careers on the backs of these two. Do you think these experts want to lose their source of income?

Don’t hold your breath for an implosion because even their haters need them to do well otherwise these haters will lose a nice fat source of income.

Open your eyes. You are being manipulated and used and you are not the beneficiary of any of this.

The evidence is in front of you.

Their words are shown to be lies. Their behavior is seen as repellent. They are being laughed at.

What are they doing that is successful?

Book, twas shite, completely bombed out of bestseller list, they only paid for a week to be on the list.

35 minute podcast featuring pre-recorded chat. Then nothing? Is Spotify happy - doubt it.

TV interviews - well its car crash TV so its entertaining.

No one is buying what they are selling.

@Coolandclamy

Just like the statistics that cleverly said her book failed to make the top 50 books in the UK. The beauty of this is they chose not to look at the genre of her book and compare it to all books, including ones sold in supermarkets.

So feel free to feast in the twisted stats, manipulated stories in the British press BUT the Britain is but a small part of the world. Meghan and Harry continue to shine. Even putting aside the US, the rest of the world embrace them. History will judge them very well. Even the young folks in the UK rate them higher than other royals. The march of time is in their favour for the unfairness with which they are treated is clear. I love a David vs Goliath story and may they triumph.

As for Buckingham Palace and it’s racist policies, lack of diversity and reported abuse of ethnic minority staff. The march of time is against that outdated institution. A monument to colonial abuse.

Above all, I respect that there is a family behind all this and none of us know what’s really going on. One moment the Queen has had enough of H&M and blast them with something or the other and the next minute she loves them so much she is displaying their picture and giving a branch full of olives. Everyday some nonsense about a source or royal expert sprouting nonsense. Since when did the UK have so many royal experts? Who are these people?

People took screenshots of her book being in the bestseller lists on Amazon here in the UK when it was announced. Like most books it went down the list, but stayed within the top 50 for quite a while. It made it in the general list and the children' section. Are the tabloids even writing about the fact that it's the number 1, NYT bestseller for Children's Picture Book. Not reporting it all over the telly as they usually do with anything negative I see.

And remember all the reports from so called 'journalists' that she has never written a children's book before. Yada yada. When her first children book before this is being displayed in the Congress Library.

When her first children book before this is being displayed in the Congress Library.

No it isn’t. She submitted it for copyright protection when she wrote it, but is not on display. A librarian tweeted about its existence. That’s all.

Presumably those saying H&M should get full security paid for because of death threats would also advocate for the many women receiving credible death threats as a result of domestic abuse to receive full time security

If not why not? Given the stats of women murdered by ex-partners vs members of the Royal family murdered by random strangers

In fact, DD experienced racist abuse twice in the week from the same adult man (DD is a petite 13 year old) on the way to school. I would like her to have Met protection for the journey - happy to waive it for the rest of the day...

@ Allington

Well said and I am sorry about your DD

@Allington

I would suggest you contact the police about this as it's quite serious. They should make an assessment and advise you accordingly. Depending on where you live and the police advise, I have seen DC being escorted home by police, I have also seen DC being transported to school and back by taxi, though really they should deal with the man in your case. Sorry that had to happen to your DD.

@smilesy

When her first children book before this is being displayed in the Congress Library.

No it isn’t. She submitted it for copyright protection when she wrote it, but is not on display. A librarian tweeted about its existence. That’s all.

I read it on an American news and somewhere else that it will be on display in the summer.

It was reported as it will go on display when the Madison Building is open to the public..

The police have been great. But can only advise DD to stand near the bus driver for safety. They don't have the resources to do anything else. And the bus drivers ignore verbal violence.