Charles financially supported the Sussexes until summer 2020

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Prince Harry revealed in his Oprah interview that the Sussexes stopped receiving money from the royal family in the first quarter of 2020. However, newly published accounts reveal that Prince Charles continued to financially support the Sussexes until summer 2020.

I wonder if this is going to be a case of their truth or incorrect wording on Harry’s behalf. Interesting!

To be fair not their JD to intervene physically. But I struggle to advocate for H&M to have millions to spent on them for years to come based on no credible threat, when DD is facing the reality of racism every day

Great that @Mummy194 believes in Met risk assessments (except for H&M when it is a vast conspiracy)

@Allington sorry to hear your daughter is having to put up with that sort of shit from some mindless moron 💐

Security - people generally are not aware of the extent of powers that are at hand (I know I was surprised) for government agencies etc to enable them to protect us all (as well as people such as Queen etc).

It works very well in the backgrounds of our lives and it is meant to be discreet and unknown. The more attention drawn to security issues is highlighting potential vulnerable areas and you won't get someone standing up and explaining exactly why you should trust in the risk assessments on security issues. So you won't know. H&M are acting almost like an enemy within over this issue - they won't get the answers they think they need - as it is meant to be unknown (that's how it works and why it works).

The more they highlight security as an issue it is a self-feeding circle of paranoia and attracting attention. However, if there was a credible threat in the US then the US authorities would have the powers at hand to look into activities and act pre-emptively.

As has been highlighted extremely well by Allington - the real threat is within one's home - women die every week. Other styles of attack do, in fact, take planning and there would be information that would be accessible on such plans and pre-emptive (discreet) precautions would be taken.

But yes dismiss all those very obvious facts and carry on with H&M need a cavalcade every time they drive to the airport.... Edward and Sophie seem to manage just fine popping on holiday etc.

H&M really could lead a quiet, discreet and private etc life - however, they really, really don't want to. They want you to know : TA DA! - they've arrived, we're here!! ie - the opposite of good security....

@Allington I am so sorry to hear about your DD, there is nothing worse than bullying from an adult. Absolutely awful.

You suspect on what basis that they don’t like working hard? Meghan was a millionaire before she married Harry and seemed to have been working hard at her job plus charity work. I can tell you a thing or two about certain royals who definitely have zero record of working hard.

As for the content of their stuff. I have not listened to any of it but expect those who hate them to have nothing good to say about anything they do. However, the evidence is these two people are doing well. Meghan was doing better than the average person before she met Harry so she’ll has a work ethic that will stand her in good stead.

I can only wish them well. I won’t allow myself to ge manipulated to disliking people I do not know.

As Maya Angelou said “still I rise …” and with them, they will ride because they do not deserve the hate and in life eventually truth finds a way of showing itself. I BBC admire their tenacity. Most people would have gone under with that level of widespread abuse.

I can tell you a thing or two about certain royals who definitely have zero record of working hard.
I won’t allow myself to ge manipulated to disliking people I do not know.

These two statements don’t make sense together. If you don’t want to dislike people you don’t know, why are you questioning other royals work ethic who presumably you don’t know either? Just wondering.

ChiefINspector I don't know where to start with your post. They hit the ground running (it was a favourite phrase of the media) when they became royals...
They toured Ireland, Australia, Fiji, Tonga, NZ, Morocco as well as other engagements.

Then there's SmartWorks, Hub Kitchen and all the other initiatives whilst in the US. In Texas, Walker Family Events, Genesis Womens Refuge, World Central Kitchen which is fantastic, and so on.

I dont think anyone can deny that MM is a grafter and works hard. I'm amazed that can't be seen, but I supposed if you don't look for it, you don't see it.

@Coolandclamy

Just like the statistics that cleverly said her book failed to make the top 50 books in the UK. The beauty of this is they chose not to look at the genre of her book and compare it to all books, including ones sold in supermarkets.

So feel free to feast in the twisted stats, manipulated stories in the British press BUT the Britain is but a small part of the world. Meghan and Harry continue to shine. Even putting aside the US, the rest of the world embrace them. History will judge them very well. Even the young folks in the UK rate them higher than other royals. The march of time is in their favour for the unfairness with which they are treated is clear. I love a David vs Goliath story and may they triumph.

As for Buckingham Palace and it’s racist policies, lack of diversity and reported abuse of ethnic minority staff. The march of time is against that outdated institution. A monument to colonial abuse.

Above all, I respect that there is a family behind all this and none of us know what’s really going on. One moment the Queen has had enough of H&M and blast them with something or the other and the next minute she loves them so much she is displaying their picture and giving a branch full of olives. Everyday some nonsense about a source or royal expert sprouting nonsense. Since when did the UK have so many royal experts? Who are these people?

Are these racist policies of Buckingham Palace written down somewhere? What are these policies exactly? How can I find out?
Where is abuse of ethnic minority staff reported? Was it in a newspaper? Was it verbal abuse, or physical abuse? Was it racist abuse or general unpleasantness like, "I wish you'd wear a longer skirt because your ankles are so nasty." Can you give a bit more detail, please.

You are entitled to your opinion, of course.

It differs from mine, because I could not say that she isn't keen on hard work.

I think their talents will show as time goes on.

Upinaballoon, I am sure you can find that info yourself (sympathisers of Nazi regime with their lovely family photo doing the salute, not allowing black staff to be employed as anything but domestic servants, abuse of a black staff in Clarence House and I could go on). All the info you ask for is available publicly. I am sure if it was about M&H you would have no problem finding it.

Putting aside the racist policy (one of which was recently exposed not to mention the Queen being exempt from the Equalities Act), the monarchy profited from slavery and colonialism. Lacks diversity even though it supposedly is friends with the Commonwealth, 60% of which is black and brown people.

But if you tell me that the BRF cannot possibly be racist nor can the monarchy possible represent racial hierarchy then I can believe you. Surely they are the paragon of diversity and equality.

@ChiefInspectorParker, you wish they fail. It’s okay to say that. Meghan’s hardworking history and her successes doesn’t support your hopes of failure.

Whatever happens as long as there are haters like you out there, the interest will be high and they will continue to succeed.

Isn’t the stuff that Harry did with Oprah potentially up for an Emmy or some award. What an utter failure.

For people with no talent they seem to have been successful before and are even more successful now. So chances are they will continue to be successful. If that’s based on no talent then I’d like some of their no talent.

Wish for their failure @ChiefInspectorParker but be careful that you don’t call karma into your life.

@ChiefInspectorParker

I dont think anyone can deny that MM is a grafter and works hard.

I don’t think she works especially hard. I’m not saying she spends all day every day lying on the sofa, just that I don’t think she is especially keen on hard work. Neither Meghan nor Harry is outstandingly talented at anything, and they’re not super hard workers - like Kris Kardashian for example - and that’s why I think longer term, unless they find their niche, their enterprises will fizzle out/fail.

Just my opinion based on what I observe.

Do any of the royals actually work hard?

I’m biracial, half British/ half African. I spent the the first few years of my my life abroad and every commonwealth day we were made to praise the Empire and pray for the queen. Imagine my shock years later living in England and my kids not even made to do half the stuff I did for commonwealth day. Added to that some people had the audacity to tell my kids to be grateful for being welcomed here, when in fact they are half British. I won’t lie it hurt but learnt to keep my head down for fear of being labeled whiny, playing the race card and all the other ‘woke’ insults.

I read the article about the palace only employing minorities as domestics in the 60’s and being exempt from Equality law in despair. I’m not surprised that some people will defend or not believe this. I feel sorry for all those whose African/ Caribbean and others who fought in the world wars in the name of the Empire. At times it seems they do not matter.

@Zuluqueen your post made me choke back a tear. Some will say it was back in the 60s but the attitudes don’t change overnight and it is clear that black and brown people still are not employed in senior positions. I laughed when they were claiming that the asked the most senior black person in the Royal Household to mentor Meghan. This was a man who is employed in a role to do with the parades or something of that nature. How out of touch and embarrassing to say this as if it’s something to be proud of. Made them look even more racist.

The thing is, the Commonwealth is awake and watching. They know where they stand with the very welcoming and diverse royal family. It’s a matter of time.

@Zuluqueen
That is a great post, well done for pointing out how it is for you and yes I agree.
I'm a fan of David Lammy (DD has met him a number of times and gets a Christmas card from him lol) He talks of the Windrush generation with great emotion.

Take a good long hard look at the people who hate Meghan Markle. That tells you all you need to know.

Worse still, the monarchy should also see that it’s in trouble when it is supported by the far right in the US. Not a good look.

It’s really sad. I’m proud to be British & African, ( sorry won’t say which country ) as I have been trolled on Mumsnet before so I name change for this section and others of MN . I only wish some people could see Meghan , Harry and their kids as human. Especially Meghan, black women are dehumanized so much and we get used to it. I know she is biracial, as Am I. But at times we feel our blackness burning more than the other part ourselves.Of course I don’t speak for her , but I see her. There is much to criticise about Harry and Meghan just as there is much to criticize about the rest of RF.

Thinking someone is unlikely to succeed is not the same as 'wishing' them to fail.

DD wants to be a professional dancer. I think that she is unlikely to succeed because it is a very competitive field. I hope she will succeed and am supporting her 100%. I am not a 'hater'. But I am realistic about her chances.

Just as I see and hear what H&M say and do, and form my own opinions. I don't think what they say and do are consistent or match reality. I think they are very entitled and don't appreciate what they have.

Nothing to do with 'hating' them or hoping they fail. Just observing and coming to a conclusion.