Charles financially supported the Sussexes until summer 2020

[SnottyLottie]

news.sky.com/story/duke-and-charles-paid-substantial-sum-to-harry-and-meghan-after-megxit-but-couple-paid-back-rent-for-frogmore-cottage-12340192

Prince Harry revealed in his Oprah interview that the Sussexes stopped receiving money from the royal family in the first quarter of 2020. However, newly published accounts reveal that Prince Charles continued to financially support the Sussexes until summer 2020.

I wonder if this is going to be a case of their truth or incorrect wording on Harry’s behalf. Interesting!

@PicsInRed

The fact that there was a plot to kill someone doesn't necessarily make it a danger to them

That is some special twisty turny logic right there.

Not really - if I am plotting to kill someone using a nuclear bomb and my plan begins 1: Get GCSE physics That is still a plot, but there is currently no risk to my intended victims. The security services and police make judgements all the time about the credibility and risk involved when people make death threats.

It is ridiculous to think that the threat against H&M is low. Put aside his role in Afghanistan, his birthright. The level of hate that has been whipped up against these two is something that will be studied in history in the coming years.

What I find curious is the human behaviour. I cannot fathom how we as human beings can so easily be manipulated by media and people in power to dehumanise others and abuse them. I used to think that Nazi Germany was a blip. But time and time again, we see that as human beings we can easily be made to hate and dehumanise. When the dust is cleared, many will wonder how and why they took part in this.

Meghan Markle was the most trolled person, male or female, in the world. What has this woman done to deserve this?

I’m also baffled by why the media is hellbent on twisting stories and whipping up hate against these two. What are they being used as scapegoats for. What are our attention being diverted from.

Take this Charles funding story. It is clearly a nine story and the facts matches what Harry said. Yet we are told the real news we should be focused on is the media twisted lie.

The men who plotted against H&M and were convicted were serious Neo-Nazis. One was the leader of Sonnenkrieg Division, and the other was the son of the leader of of the Neo nazi group for the UK. He was found with terrorist weapons and materials in his room.

But the seriousness of their Nazism and their Nazi pedigree are not relevant to whether the plot was likely to cause harm, or at least, there are many other criteria involved.

Are you really suggesting that the plot to kill H+M was risk assessed as dangerous and requiring security, and then the police falsified their risk assessment deliberately?

@Bovrilly

The men who plotted against H&M and were convicted were serious Neo-Nazis. One was the leader of Sonnenkrieg Division, and the other was the son of the leader of of the Neo nazi group for the UK. He was found with terrorist weapons and materials in his room.

But the seriousness of their Nazism and their Nazi pedigree are not relevant to whether the plot was likely to cause harm, or at least, there are many other criteria involved.

Are you really suggesting that the plot to kill H+M was risk assessed as dangerous and requiring security, and then the police falsified their risk assessment deliberately?

When did the Met falsify anything?

Last I heard, H said they still considered him high risk.

Non-story

Are you really suggesting that the plot to kill H+M was risk assessed as dangerous and requiring security, and then the police falsified their risk assessment deliberately?

Yes, that is exactly what I allege happened. It wouldn't be the first case of alleged police corruption and it allegedly won't be the last.

I find it shocking that Harry is living a lavish lifestyle & getting money from Charles despite doing nothing at all in life.

@PicsInRed

Are you really suggesting that the plot to kill H+M was risk assessed as dangerous and requiring security, and then the police falsified their risk assessment deliberately?

Yes, that is exactly what I allege happened. It wouldn't be the first case of alleged police corruption and it allegedly won't be the last.

In my opinion.

Mummy - the link clearly states summer - April to July - the first quarter of the UK fiscal year is April 6-July5.

Harry is now saying he always meant the "first fiscal quarter of the Uk tax year" not the first quarter of the usual calendar year - as everyone would assume and as was clearly intended to be another tiny violin moment.

Why would a US audience think he was referring to UK tax fiscal accounting year. First quarter in US would be different as tax year (oct - Sept)? He clearly misrepresented for the effect of "poor me" and has no self-awareness.

They are doing the usual - facts tripping them up in the due course of time and trying to explain away their misdirection and half-truths. Lies always get exposed over time.

Tax year april20-april21 has now passed which is why the first quarter accounts are available for that tax year and filed etc - and Harry's version of first quarter was actually the first half of the calendar year 2020.

Any threat is a threat. I just find it amusing that posters on here dismiss it like it is absolutely nothing.
If it were nothing, they would not have been jailed would they?

Meghan Markle was the most trolled person, male or female, in the world. What has this woman done to deserve this?

I'd like to know too. There are some many more awful things going on with our politicians and human rights in other countries. Yet people are just fixated on them as if they're the worst people in the world.

I’m also baffled by why the media is hellbent on twisting stories and whipping up hate against these two. What are they being used as scapegoats for. What are our attention being diverted from

Clickbait = money.
and
Diversionary tactics for other royal stories. Not all news pieces mean there is something else happening in the RF, but no doubt H&M have been very convenient at times.

Look how that Telegraph piece on Kate and Jill Biden and interference in politics was quashed in hours.

There can be no bad press on K&W, or indeed Andrew! It's law!

The papers are trying to discredit them as usual.

I find it shocking that Harry is living a lavish lifestyle & getting money from Charles despite doing nothing at all in life

He's not now. They are independent and earning their own money and paying for their own security, unlike the other non working royal, Andrew.. if you want to talk 'lavish' lifestyle'... he's yer man

*When did the Met falsify anything?

Last I heard, H said they still considered him high risk.*

Sorry, I thought the point was that plots against them weren't taken seriously, as per Pics PP, and yours below when it was explained that criminal conviction for plotting does not necessarily imply any danger.

They were reassessed as low risk despite nazi racist lunatics being sent to prison for specifically plotting to kill them... The risk assessment was obviously nonsense, but there it was and security was denied.

The men who plotted against H&M and were convicted were serious Neo-Nazis..

Mummy you say: "So if H&M left on the 29 March and the report came out on the 5 April? Assuming that coming out in April means it was concluded sometime in before that."

H&M left on 29 March 2020.

The report you refer to would be for the tax year April 6th 2020 to April 5th 2021. That is the first quarter that Harry was still receiving money. That report is available as of June 2021 for april 2020-april-2021.

All accounting reports/statements for April 2020-April2021 would be produced after April 2021 generally from around June 2021 which is why they're available now and recently became available. Time to gather all information for previous tax year and file accounts.

All of this means Harry was not being straight with the truth saying he was cut off straight away. He arrives in US March and he received money for the first quarter of that tax year until July 5th 2020.

Not first quarter of the calendar year as Harry implied by saying "cut off straight away etc"

If it were nothing, they would not have been jailed would they?

Again, a plot can be a crime (as is encouraging terrorism and possession of terrorist material, which is what these two were actually convicted of) without there being a risk to its intended victims.

So you'd be OK if someone was plotting to kill you?

I think not.

@Mummy194

They seem elastic enough for Andrew.

Who lives virtually next door to the Queen, in what's in effect a secure complex.

I dislike him intensely, but you really can't compare the two situations financially. Although neither deserve UK paid security imo.

“Meghan Markle was the most trolled person, male or female, in the world. What has this woman done to deserve this?”

I thought that when Meghan made this claim, which was like a red tag to a bull to those who want to analyse this sort of thing, she was actually behind Adele and Gemma Collins 🤷‍♀️

Harry doing nothing in his life? Are you serious. Afghan veteran, Invictus game and charities whilst a working royal. Now if you want to talk about lazy and doing nothing, there are others more worthy of this charge.

I’d just implore people to take a step back and ask yourself why on earth you are being whipped up to hate these two people. It makes no sense. What makes all of this even more ridiculous is the cognitive dissonance that needs to happen. H&M are clearly not the people want you to believe they are. So this onslaught will eventually fail as the truth breaks through.

For instance this nonsense that Harry has done nothing in his life. How could you allow yourself to believe that despite the facts? Worse if you compared him to some other royals, what would your conclusion be?

Truly the only equivalent I can think of is how Hitler and that guy in Rwanda were able to convince people to feel extreme hatred towards others for no real reason.

@Roussette

So you'd be OK if someone was plotting to kill you?

I think not.

Well it depends what you mean by ok. I'm sure it's very upsetting to discover that teenagers are posting hate about you and encouraging terrorist acts. They were quite rightly locked up for it. But if you're asking, would I later leave my role in the royal family, move abroad and still expect the British tax payer to pick up my security expenses based on this plot from several months earlier which had been assessed as not a danger, the answer is no.

@smilesy

“Meghan Markle was the most trolled person, male or female, in the world. What has this woman done to deserve this?”

I thought that when Meghan made this claim, which was like a red tag to a bull to those who want to analyse this sort of thing, she was actually behind Adele and Gemma Collins 🤷‍♀️

According to some one dodgy report.

Tbh, I never heard Adele an Gemma being discussed every week, almost daily on panels on the telly. MM was discussed even on serious shows like Politics live etc.

I admit though I am not an avid tabloid reader, so I recall vaguely Adele being trolled for her weight and I heard about Gemma especially around the interview she did. While I don't follow anything about Gemma, have nothing against her, I do love Adele, so am surprised to have missed that they were trolled more than MM.

I dislike him intensely, but you really can't compare the two situations financially. Although neither deserve UK paid security imo

He lives in Royal Lodge Windsor a refurbished huge pile (refurbishment for Andrew costing £8M to include indoor swimming pool and cinema) and pays £250 a week for it last I read. His security is £300,000 a year paid for by the Queen

Just like the statistics that cleverly said her book failed to make the top 50 books in the UK. The beauty of this is they chose not to look at the genre of her book and compare it to all books, including ones sold in supermarkets.

So feel free to feast in the twisted stats, manipulated stories in the British press BUT the Britain is but a small part of the world. Meghan and Harry continue to shine. Even putting aside the US, the rest of the world embrace them. History will judge them very well. Even the young folks in the UK rate them higher than other royals. The march of time is in their favour for the unfairness with which they are treated is clear. I love a David vs Goliath story and may they triumph.

As for Buckingham Palace and it’s racist policies, lack of diversity and reported abuse of ethnic minority staff. The march of time is against that outdated institution. A monument to colonial abuse.

Above all, I respect that there is a family behind all this and none of us know what’s really going on. One moment the Queen has had enough of H&M and blast them with something or the other and the next minute she loves them so much she is displaying their picture and giving a branch full of olives. Everyday some nonsense about a source or royal expert sprouting nonsense. Since when did the UK have so many royal experts? Who are these people?

I'm on Twitter and have been since 2017 and I have barely registered ever seeing Adele and Gemma Collins trending. M&H or individually, yes, almost daily. And no it's not because they are saying anything.

Coolandclamy Great post and I've said before... give it a few years and I honestly think the opinion of a lot of people will be...
Weren't they wise getting out, best thing they ever did
And
Haven't they done well over in the US and gained a lot of respect around the world.

Now... of course... those that can't abide them will not be buying into this ever because old habits die hard.