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To think Prince Harry should give up his titles?

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HRHTheQueensSlippers · 22/06/2021 21:13

Let’s face it, he has suffered immensely being born into the most famous and privileged family in the world. His titles were bestowed solely due to the family he was born into with the expectation that he would be a ‘working’ member of that family in return for the privilege and unfathomably (to us plebs) luxurious lifestyle he enjoyed (or not as he says now).

He has thankfully escaped his gilded cage and is no longer a working member of the family, in fact he has completely trashed that institution and in doing so also the Head of it, his Grandmother, the Queen while her husband of 73 years was ill in hospital and dying.

As he has suffered so much due to the public interest of his life (interest purely due to his title) by the public and the media so much, shouldn’t he just jack it all in and decree that he is no longer ‘Royal’ by giving up his titles and living quietly in the US with his family?

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Roussette · 23/06/2021 10:18

If he's that happy, why is their PR machine spinning frantically and relentlessly? Every single day

I think you are confused with the gutter press printing something... anything... about them, and the actually speaking

Roussette · 23/06/2021 10:19

*them

pabloescobarselasticband · 23/06/2021 10:25

@Crankley

I don't really care - just wish he would shut the fuck up. He's an emotional flake just like his mother.
Amen to this
Notonthestairs · 23/06/2021 10:44

Nobody forces you to read about M&H.

You are making an active choice to read articles and then complaining about it.

SpaceRaiders · 23/06/2021 10:45

I also think as they're using it to cash in it's not on, they're actually disgraceful in their corporate use of the titles

You mean like how Prince Michael of Kent was caught by channel4 quite recently trying to sell access to senior royals and the Russians to a fictitious Singaporean (I think) Gold company. I recall Fergie and Andrew caught doing similar in the 90’s. H&M are doing exactly what other royals have done and continue to do!

People are so flipping misguided. I doubt they even really know why they hate H&M, apart from being riled up to do so. Half of the stuff that parroted is just ridiculous. I have to say it’s been somewhat unnerving to witness the mass hysteria towards those two.

And who cares what H&M pay in rent for Frogmore. No one has ever questioned what other royals pay in rent.

By all means take a stand against the royals and their somewhat dubious moral and ethical standards. But it stands to reason, that they should all be treated the same.

Roussette · 23/06/2021 10:46

People are so flipping misguided. I doubt they even really know why they hate H&M, apart from being riled up to do so

Oh yes. I've said it a million times on here. It's habit. A nasty habit.

Chiffandbip · 23/06/2021 11:18

I think the people who hate Harry and Meghan need to assess whether they’re being brainwashed by the right wing press.

Srslydontgiveacrap · 23/06/2021 11:45

I don't really care - just wish he would shut the fuck up. He's an emotional flake just like his mother.

Jesus, why so invested?? You say you don't care then spout this comment. People on here are so weird.

adrianmolesmole · 23/06/2021 11:54

No, Prince Andrew should.

GrownUpBeans · 23/06/2021 13:12

I think Harry Mountbatten-Windsor should give up his titles. Also, there's no obligation on people to use them. If you don't think he should have titles, don't use them.

PurpleOkapi · 23/06/2021 13:12

Does anyone actually like Princess Michael? I haven't seen anyone defend her for that or anything else.

I don't think their titles should be stripped at this point, but I also don't understand why they even want to keep them.

Marmaladeagain · 23/06/2021 13:23

yes PurpleOkapi no-one does defend Prince Michael, Prince Andrew etc - it is the sniping at the RF which people dislike H&M for whilst continuing continuing to use the titles.

Harry would be taken a lot more seriously if he stopped using the titles and decided to draw a line on saying such things as William and Charles are "trapped". That is why people are bemused and don't take his "poor little me" act seriously.

Harry is famously known to have said "just call me Harry". That's how it should be and he should stop pretending to be sharing William's and Charles' most innermost thoughts on the monarchy. It's that simple.

No-one is defending other royals - it's just the other royals aren't saying they're victims of the monarchy and the British people etc.

caringcarer · 23/06/2021 13:33

I think he was only given Duke title as he was going to work for firm. He no longer wants to work for firm so Duke title should go and Duchess title too but he was born a Prince so Prince title he should keep. I think Prince Charles should change LP to make only sons and daughters if those in direct line to monarchy, like Prince William, Prince/Princess and no funding for security. They should find it all themselves if they want it.

TheKeatingFive · 23/06/2021 13:35

I think he was only given Duke title as he was going to work for firm.

What are you basing this on?

It’s an aristocratic title, not a royal one.

WinnieTheW0rm · 23/06/2021 13:43

No one has ever questioned what other royals pay in rent

Of course they have!!

It's been in and out of the news since the 90s

2005 - the Palace confirmed that Prince Charles, Princess Anne, the Gloucesters, the Kents and Princess Alexandra did not pay rent

This about Prince Michael of Kent from 2008 and they started paying in 2010, as the general presumption became that Grace and Favour accommodation shouid only be free to working Royals

There was a bit of a reshuffle of who lived where as a result of scrutiny. It seems that it has now dropped so far off the radar that memory of what happened in the recent past is not even remembered

Angrycat2768 · 23/06/2021 13:57

"No-one is defending other royals - it's just the other royals aren't saying they're victims of the monarchy and the British people etc"
No the only difference between Harry and the other Royals is that Harry thought he and his family were the victims of the system, whereas the other ones know full well they are beneficiaries of a massive gravy train where they get huge amounts of privelege in return for doing not much. Of course they are not going to openly trash the Monarchy. They do, however, all try and make shady deals out of their Royal connections. Harry is doing it publicly. Why should he lose his titles for being a bit dim and naive when the rest of them are just doing it and hiding it ( partly because they are not under as much s scrutiny- Prince Michael of Kent/Peter Philips)

Roussette · 23/06/2021 14:32

@Angrycat2768

Great post

ohforarainyday · 23/06/2021 14:51

If the Queen wanted them to stop using their titles, she could. She's obviously fine with them still having those titles.

If they lose their ducal titles the automatic default would be to their next lowest title, which is Prince and Princess Henry of Wales.

The BRF absolutely do not want Meghan being called Princess. If Meghan stops being Duchess then she automatically becomes Princess, and that's not a title that can be removed without an act of parliament because Harry is the (future) king's son.

The BRF really really don't want to set a precedent for stripping monarch's children/grandchildren of their blood titles, because it will raise questions about other royals like Andrew, and make the general public aware that even a major blood royal can be stripped of their title should they be unpopular. It would also be a PR disaster to strip a title from your own child/grandchild for wanting to work and lead his own life, while so other royals have done far worse.

GlencoraP · 23/06/2021 14:54

@TheKeatingFive actually it is a royal dukedom in that it is within the gift of the Queen. Other dukedoms are not royal for example Devonshire, Buccleuch, Norfolk, Westminster.

TheKeatingFive · 23/06/2021 15:00

actually it is a royal dukedom in that it is within the gift of the Queen.

And she didn’t specify any dependency on them being working royals or make any moves to take it away from them once they quit.

GlencoraP · 23/06/2021 15:02

Absolutely

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Marmaladeagain · 23/06/2021 15:24

Angrycat - it is more along the lines of - should H&M wish to avoid end the lifetime of ridicule currently in store for them due to hypocrisy - they should decide not to use the names. That's why people ridicule them as they most certainly won't part with the titles they claim are a "trap" privilege without a fight.

I'd imagine that's the way it would go, not removed - but the Queen to request it would be a good idea. Once it's publicly known that the Queen has requested they put their titles aside - then that's how it would be. He'd look daft to continue to use his title on websites etc

It would be case of lowering the drama not increasing it with H&M.

H&M were aware Archie wouldn't be getting a title and the at best would be an option but not to be used (as in Edward's children) and they came up with endless misdirection/conflation to create drama.

TheKeatingFive · 23/06/2021 15:30

I think this ‘lifetime of ridicule’ you reference is mostly coming from randoms frothing on the internet.

So I doubt they give the slightest shit.

Roussette · 23/06/2021 15:38

What I don't get is... so let's say their titles are removed... Harry will always be son of the (possibly soon to be, or not far away) Monarch of Great Britain. King Charles.

That is never going away. Everyone knows exactly who they are. So it'll be Prince Harry and Princess Meghan.

All this bile about them trading off their titles... no, they are who they are, end of.
I think people should just suck it up and get used to it, titles or no titles.

Let's also assume titles are removed (they won't be, but for the purposes of this post, let's assume...) is that then the last goalpost? Because there's been very very many and they get moved all the time!