To think Prince Harry should give up his titles?

[HRHTheQueensSlippers]

Let’s face it, he has suffered immensely being born into the most famous and privileged family in the world. His titles were bestowed solely due to the family he was born into with the expectation that he would be a ‘working’ member of that family in return for the privilege and unfathomably (to us plebs) luxurious lifestyle he enjoyed (or not as he says now).

He has thankfully escaped his gilded cage and is no longer a working member of the family, in fact he has completely trashed that institution and in doing so also the Head of it, his Grandmother, the Queen while her husband of 73 years was ill in hospital and dying.

As he has suffered so much due to the public interest of his life (interest purely due to his title) by the public and the media so much, shouldn’t he just jack it all in and decree that he is no longer ‘Royal’ by giving up his titles and living quietly in the US with his family?

no hypocrites aren't taken seriously by anyone.

It isn't just the internet - people who have no interest in Rf/politics etc and even some that previously supported the decision to "step back" have generally settled on the side of they're whinging and hypocritical.

The first step to being taken seriously would be to stop using the titles bestowed from the system they disparage.

Won't make a blind bit of difference. Given the Duchess of Cambridge has been married more than 10 years and is still called Kate Middleton by the media, he'll be known as Prince Harry whether he keeps his title or not.

Who with any genuine power or influence is calling for them to give back their titles?

And I don’t mean shockjock journos, Piers Morgan, The Daily Mail, etc, but people with actual political clout.

no-one has to call for them to "hand titles back" - H&M look daft plastering crowns and titles over their future lives and will always look like hypocrites for doing so. However, that is of little consequence to them as there are many other areas that the hypocrisy spills into - ie. families etc. so they are happy to appear so.

If they move into political opinions in the US then I imagine the RF may have to make it publicly known that H&M do not represent the RF and have been requested to not use those titles.

There is a lot of misunderstanding in the US around the role of monarchy in UK politics. BP had to issue a statement this year saying that contrary to some US reports the Queen wasn't relaying her own personal set of political opinions - but those of the elected government of the day etc.

H&M look daft plastering crowns and titles over their future lives and will always look like hypocrites for doing so. However, that is of little consequence to them as there are many other areas that the hypocrisy spills into - ie. families etc. so they are happy to appear so.

So you think they’re idiots, cool. They don’t care, let’s all move on with our lives.

As for what the Queen may or may not do in the future, total speculation, what you ‘imagine’ is neither here nor there.

Public opinion is important for all sorts of things including government and RF etc - so people's opinions do matter. An elected government wouldn't happen if people didn't have opinions.

So like lots of people (including you) I have an opinion. If you're not keen on my posts just scroll past

It’s not that I’m not keen on your posts, I just think that wild speculation about the Queens future actions seems a tad pointless.

mentally exploring potential outcome is not wild speculation.

It's within the realms of possibility that a not very bright grandson of the UK head of state spouting drivel and .e putting his foot in it with "bonkers" comment regarding US may be something that needs addressing.

As mentioned, the RF having to issue statement to address US talk that the Queen's speech is on behalf of the UK elected government .

Actions have repercussions and the boundaries of grandson living in the US are yet to be thought out. Usually people find some boundaries of their own, but Harry doesn't seem capable of that.

So I find in conversation people come up with ideas of like outcomes. Normal behaviour so not wild speculation at all.

mentally exploring potential outcome is not wild speculation.

Well that’s the best one I’ve heard yet. 🤣🤣🤣

Let’s see if your ‘mental exploration’ comes to pass?

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Tis much more funny being told to "move on" from discussing M&H...

Whilst I agree that PA is unpleasant and a complete slime-ball, he has not yet been convicted of any crime, and is staying out of the public eye.

Even he should be presumed innocent until proven guilty

Shame he isn't innocent of all the other freeloading and dodgy deals he's been part of.
Read his Wiki page. It's an eye opener.

As this thread is (rightly) not massively supportive of allegations of wrong doing by certain high profile individuals - how long will this thread be available and open until the internet gate keepers do their usual and expected freedom of speech (within hate and discrimination laws) to close the thread?

So it'll be Prince Harry and Princess Meghan

Nope, it'll be Prince Harry and Princess Harry like it would be Prince William and Princess William (until such point as he is created a Prince of Wales)

It's only Princess FirstName if she was born royal, or if she was specifically created a princess of the realm. The last person to be created Prince/ss was Philip, who renounced his birth titles so he could marry Princess Elizabeth, and who was (re)created PrInce Philip in 1957

But she will be known as Princess Meghan in the States no doubt. Can't imagine otherwise...

@Roussette

But she will be known as Princess Meghan in the States no doubt. Can't imagine otherwise...

Yep, it will be Princess Meghan, just like it was always Princess Di, even after the divorce. In most countries all over the world too.

I think I’m allowed to recognise what wasn’t perfect in my family, emigrate (as I have done) and still use my family name. Families are rather more complex than you seem to have found them.

In any event surely this is up to the Queen? If she wants things to change she presumably can advocate for that change?

Picked up random papers and magazines to flick through on a long journey recently and the big 'push' in the press is Sophie (and Edward). Endless articles about her closeness to Philip, her dress sense etc She is clearly being puffed up to the media as the next Diana/Catherine clothes horse, agony aunt type figure.

Palace machine is obviously being busy on this (and her trying to sell access to the monarchy is forgiven)

Diana became a princess when she married Charles. After her divorce she became Diana, Princess of Wales. Do you really think any rational person would start calling her Princess Meghan should they become Prince and Princess Henry? That’s embarrassing, sorry. FWIW I think they should keep their titles and let the RF move on with their duties. At least I hope so. Redeem what little respect they have. If any.

But do you think Americans would be calling her Princess Henry? They call her Duchess Meghan as it is... that would just become Princess Meghan.

And @stoneofdestiny i dont think we need to be softened up to let sophie do duties. Just let her and edward do a few more higer profile things. Before mexit sophie did duties without fanfare.

Is it 20 years since sophie embarrassed the rf?

Her reaction to that was to disappear for 15 years.

@Angrycat2768 so true.
Even Peter Philips with no title got a commercial for milk in japan.

Yep, it will be Princess Meghan, just like it was always Princess Di, even after the divorce. In most countries all over the world too

Not so sure, it was never 'Princess Sarah'

Diana was styled HRH the Princess of Wales, so it easily slipped to Princess Diana.

But Meghan will remain the Duchess of Sussex, perhaps with HRH back in use. It's more of a leap

@dannydyerismydad

Won't make a blind bit of difference. Given the Duchess of Cambridge has been married more than 10 years and is still called Kate Middleton by the media, he'll be known as Prince Harry whether he keeps his title or not.

Again so true! And i agree with whoever said it'd be a dangerous precedent to start stripping upopular royals of their titles. The public would think,oh we have a say in this, we have some power? And The Monarchy does not want that. Royal by birth to survive must be its first and last rule.