Harry to sue BBC

[Viviennemary]

I just read Harry is going to sue the BBC for announcing the Queen wasn't consulted over the name Lilibet. They said she was told of their plans . Maybe told isnt quite the same as consulted. When is this all going to end. Seems to be getting worse instead of improving.

They have no choice but to investigate any complaints of abuse in the workplace, employment laws and all that.

The racism allegations, the Archie not being a prince because of racism has been totally debunked, they were wrong that. The other was a private family conversation. Two completely different things.

No young people are not stupid that's why they're not buying H&Ms claims like most other people. Not wanting a Monarchy and believing/supporting H&M are two very different things also.

What is fascinating is how the palace was quick to say they will investigate MM and kept the racism in-house, not only that, but the palace sources did not come out with a refusal - maybe because H&M may then present the proof and name the person?

Let them. It's still just unsubstantiated claims.

And maybe they could get their story straight this time, as they seemed to contradict one another on the Oprah show.

Young people are not stupid, they are not enamoured with dismissing these claims as ' recollections may vary' or lately 'from a second hand info' - even though the documents are produced. Judging by how many were willing to stand up for BLM and the taking down of statues, and the HMQ picture, the RF will have to do more than this.

Interesting that you've appointed yourself spokesperson for 'young people'. Let's reconvene in 10 or 15 years and see how many of these erstwhile 'young people' are desperately concerned about hearsay on a US chat show.

So half of 18-24 year olds want to abolish the monarchy? How does that prove that they like or support H&M and their recent actions?

It doesn't. I didn't say it did. I was just pointing this out - with sources - in response to a post saying the Royals were more popular than they'd ever been. That's all.

Way back when Charles and Diana were ripping each other to shreds in public there was a lot of anti monarchy feelings at the time. I was one of them, the RF was irrelevant to me as a teenager. The whole splashing their personal lives in public thing was embarrassing and I felt we'd be better off without any of them tbh.

I'm 47 now and feel very differently, the legacy of over a Millennium is important to me these days.

The longer I've lived the more I value the past and it's influence on modern culture.

People change as they age.

@Roussette

However, that's a different thing from saying there is major anti-monarchist sentiment among the youth

I am not saying anything but linking news sources that say nearly half of 18-24 year olds are against having a Monarchy.

I'm willing to bet that if you'd conducted a similar poll 50 years ago, the results would have been much the same.

Well... everyone changes but it's not written in stone that young people will change the way you have amused. We just don't know do we? They might become more royalist or more anti Monarchist.

I was a real Royal fan at one point but I've changed so opposite to you! I'm not all for abolishing them because I know they will be around long after I've gone but hopefully with some changes.

Furthermore just because young people may be “anti-monarchy” does not mean they are pro Harry and Meghan. They might have initially garnered some support, but now they look like greedy whiners never moving on.

Change would be good Rousette.

I don't think many people feel the same at 20 as they do at 40 (for example), but of course you are right, change can go either way.

The biggest concern is how do members of a modern RF live happy and fulfilled lives whilst under so much scrutiny? The press has a lot to answer for IMO, but I have no idea how you would go about making that better.

In the old days when someone printed something that the monarch found offensive they had ways of ensuring that didn't happen again. Sadly (jk) those days are gone.

The biggest concern is how do members of a modern RF live happy and fulfilled lives whilst under so much scrutiny?

I think most of them manage. Take Edward and Sophie. Always allowing for the fact that we've no clue what goes on in private, they seem happy and fulfilled. We rarely hear from them when they're not carrying out official duties. Their children don't use the prince and princess titles, even though they could. I bet your average Brit couldn't even name them. Beatrice and Eugenie seem happy enough too.

As I've said above, I think the best way forward is to reduce the monarchy to only the monarch, their spouse and direct heir. All the rest need to get jobs and pay their own way. I think even Louis and Charlotte might not be expected to be full-time royals. And let's face it, with royal connections all sorts of doors open and you could do pretty much what you want in life. It's not such a bad deal.

I agree amused

The future might well be interesting!

Totally agree with your last para IcedPurple

For me - all the queen’s grandchildren seem fairly well adjusted.

Bar one.

@RickiTarr so much has been swallowed up by later news, but the best I can find right now suggesting they were wrong about race being the motive to refuse Archie a title is below. Be aware it's the dreaded Scobie again (), though as the judge said it's pretty clear he's being used as a mouthpiece:

According to biographer Omid Scobie, there's a chance that Meghan was "wrong" about the protocol regarding royal titles ... "If we are only going by what Meghan said to Oprah and what the palace have said so far about the situation with Archie, perhaps one can assume that Meghan was wrong in her interpretation of it," Scobie said in an interview for the new documentary, Harry and Meghan: Recollections May Vary

This was from something called InStyle magazine (I refuse to link The Scum), and you're right that it didn't seem to make it into much else

Pretty certain that the BBC's sources are solid - Buckingham palace usually briefs in this way rather making direct comments.

In reality the Queen and her closest family can't win - H&M want to splurge their guts up here there and everywhere (poor me, poor me!) slagging off his family and then when the relatives subtly seek to make a counter point the US attention seekers go all legal.

In the end the more everyone ignores H&M the better. They're like aggrieved teenagers who need it to be all about them all the time, burning their bridges and family ties over and over.

@SheldonesqueTheBstard

For me - all the queen’s grandchildren seem fairly well adjusted.

Bar one.

This is very true.

Apologies to goldierocks and others - I just noticed the piece I quoted's already been linked and should have checked the updates before posting it

What is fascinating is how the palace was quick to say they will investigate MM and kept the racism in-house, not only that, but the palace sources did not come out with a refusal - maybe because H&M may then present the proof and name the person?

I'd fully expect the palace would have asked H&M for proof of their incendiary claims, since it would be the obvious thing to do
Of course, whether they were able to produce any is something else again

@Roussette

On here it was a done deal she wouldn't win. Iced

Why do you have to call Harry derogatory names???

It's just pathetic. Cant you make your point without doing that?

That's simply not true.

There were plenty of posters pointing out that on the specific point of copyright get she would probably win.

Adding that the extraneous matters (which appeared to be taking on the tone of coverage in general) were unhelpful obfuscations, and as it turned out, they were excluded.

[quote Cacacoisfarraige]@Puzzledandpissedoff

Usually enquiries don’t state their expected findings before they start. That would imply bias.[/quote]
Ever watched 'Yes Minister'?

It makes me laugh those declaring that other grandchildren are well-adjusted and happy. How would you know?

This whole saga, the longest it drags on, just makes me think of the Jeremy Kyle show

As least it's a bit of distraction from Covid & other pressing concerns

@esterwin

It makes me laugh those declaring that other grandchildren are well-adjusted and happy. How would you know?

That's exactly what I thought - how would any of us know - yes they have money but the grand children are not immune to mental health - they may have excellent care at their finger tips but that is not a guarantee. If anything any of their issues would just be very well covered up for years. I really don't believe they are well Adjusted I think they just hide it better than the rest of us can and access much better medications and healthcare. It's like comparing poor peoples experience of mental health to the middle classes - money covers up a lot of things. But the same issues are going on behind closed doors

They may be very mentally healthy and happy, they may not. But why would they tell us if they were not?
I don't even tell my work colleagues if my mental health is not good, I certainly would not tell the general public if I was famous.
And lets say Harry was the only one to suffer mental health problems. Is that something to criticise him for? Because that seems to be the implication.

Usually enquiries don’t state their expected findings before they start. That would imply bias

Spot on, Caca, though apart from William's remark about "we're not a racist family" I'm not aware anything's yet been stated (far less by anyone who may or may not have organised an enquiry)?

As said, I'd expect a key part of any such thing would be to find if there was proof of the allegations - especially when they're dealing with people known to play fast and loose with the truth - but as also said the rest of us simply don't know whether any proof exists