Harry to sue BBC

[Viviennemary]

I just read Harry is going to sue the BBC for announcing the Queen wasn't consulted over the name Lilibet. They said she was told of their plans . Maybe told isnt quite the same as consulted. When is this all going to end. Seems to be getting worse instead of improving.

IcedPurple
I suspect you might be right. I hadn't considered it that way.
It makes sense though that he had people advising him on his military and forces charity work. Palace machine aside, his experience on the front line gave him credibility in those areas and he would probably get a lot of public support for that work.

It's somewhat harder to take someone seriously when they spend half their time trying to self-style themselves as a mental health ambassador/figurehead, whilst spending the other half of their time using the press to play the victim card and openly admitting that with vast wealth and connections neither him nor his wife knew how to get mental health for their own issues.

It's a touchy subject for me because there's loads of professionals out there who have dedicated their careers and lives to supporting mental health and now a couple of celebs, who seem to be incapable of resolving their own issues, think they can swoop in and style themselves as the next big thing in the area.

@amusedtodeath1

No I really don't care that someone called Harry a dimwit. Quite frankly, right now, he is acting like one. In fact, I think it's remarkably restrained given that he's basically attacking a recently widowed 95 year old woman. Which is disgusting in any circumstances.

Agree.

@DogsSausages

After the oprah interview maybe HandM have no credibility left, how did this non story even get into the papers. It feels that they just love to cause controversy for the sake of it, maybe the UK press and media should just stop reporting anything about them, what's the point if all they so is threaten to sue everyone.

Yes - why don't the British Press stop reporting o. M&H - / do you think it's the money they make from any little piece of news?! I don't think they would do it without it being lucrative on their side.

It's capitalism prep. News sells. It's been that way since we learned how to write. It's not ever going to go away.

What H needs to understand is that he will never be able to control the narrative, but he can guide it by NOT FEEDING IT NEGATIVE STUFF.

@upinaballoon

Iced Purple, as most people take offence these days at something, I am wondering if I should take offence on behalf of all the youth centres in Sunny Donny but I've decided not to, luv. I have always wondered whether H and M asked for the half in - half out option in innocent naivety, or whether they were cute enough to see that it was really a no-goer, so they would look good, asking for it, and the Queen or her advisors would look like the grumpies for saying, "No."

I don't think they're that clever or strategic.

I think they just massively overestimated their own importance to the royal family.

At the end of the day they're secondary royals, and their profile is going to diminish further over time as George and his siblings grow up. Harry admitted as much. How they thought they could publicly dictate terms to the queen is quite remarkable.

I also find it amusing that republicans have latched onto these two as some sort of heroes. They aren't principled opponents of the monarchy at all. They still use their royal titles and issued a ridiculous pseudo royal birth announcement - complete with coronet and 'embargo'. They're not opposed to the institution of royalty. They're just snotty about the fact that they didn't get to pick and choose the bits they liked.

Agree @ Iced well said

Agree Icedpurple, they are doing what they wanted to do when they said about being half in half out.

I simply don’t get the hero worship. If anyone else had behaved as Harry had in the past they would be “called out” told to “educate themselves” and be thoroughly “cancelled” faster than you can say SussexRoyal.

They both have led privileged lives, are extremely extravagant and have committed multiple acts of hypocrisy, yet they are held up as these progressive warriors, and victims to boot. Unbelievable.

*I don't think they're that clever or strategic.

I think they just massively overestimated their own importance to the royal family.*

Same could be said about the palace.

They are not clever and strategic, they underestimated how people view racism, hence now sending Edward to speak to international news like CNN, when they used to mostly just to UK press, most notably the rota tabloids.

A lot of desperate grappling from them.

@Mummy194

Dimwit has put himself into a very awkward position now.

I see only one person objected to this name calling. If people are going to refer to H like this, is it ok for everyone to then refer to other royals with derogatory names?

I do not report posts like this, so that MN can be exposed for the kind of platform they host.

Yes, it is ok. It's called free speech.

I think Harry's dimwit as well.

I also find it amusing that republicans have latched onto these two as some sort of heroes

Some republicans maybe. I’m a republican and if anything it just highlights the ridiculousness of the RF and class system in this country that a couple are tying themselves up in knots to ensure their connection to the RF continues in whatever form it can to elevate their status and generate a revenue stream. Without that connection they’re nothing.

I have previously mused as to whether one of the problems was that Meghan, as someone entirely new to the UK culture and the Royal family, didn’t realise that the lustre she had came by virtue of her status as a high-profile member of the family, and wasn’t reflective of herself personally? It must have been very difficult for someone who had grown up in Hollywood circles (where star power is personal) to have realised that the standing ovations, crowds ten-deep and fawning adulation wasn’t just for Meghan Markle, former actress, but rather a large portion of it was for the Duchess of Sussex, wife of Prince Harry, son of Prince Charles and Diana and grandson of the Queen. Of course Meghan’s personal qualities helped build that adulation - she was beautiful, intelligent, articulate, glamorous, mixed-race, all of which helped broaden her appeal and make people feel connected to her - but by themselves those qualities wouldn’t (hadn’t) made her a global superstar. I wonder if she thought that all the attention and star power she had as a Senior Royal would of course carry over with her if she stepped away from the family, and was overconfident as a result?

I also find it amusing that republicans have latched onto these two as some sort of heroes

Which republicans?

They’re accidentally helping the cause, but republicans are generally a rational lot, unlikely to be M&H fans.

H&M are not cancelled because most people have the view that if someone reports that they have been abused (either mentally, racially, sexually etc,) within their firm / family. Their first thought is not 'oh now, they are smearing the head of the family/firm' / 'they are playing victim'.

What most people are concerned about is that this will change and that future generations do not get the same treatment.

@Mummy194 I rather see it that Edward being invited to speak to CNN, a global news company that has just launched a weekly Royal News dispatch, is a coup for him - as a future Duke of Edinburgh the main thrust of his speech is about his father’s legacy. The family will doubtless be delighted at the wider audience they will be getting from that - far wider than they would have got from an interview with a UK broadcaster or paper.

@RickiTarr

I also find it amusing that republicans have latched onto these two as some sort of heroes

Which republicans?

They’re accidentally helping the cause, but republicans are generally a rational lot, unlikely to be M&H fans.

I've seen lots of people turn this into a 'Montecito versus Windsor' sort of 'war'. You can see a few of them on this very thread. So many seem to believe that these two are making some sort of stand against the monarchy when they themselves admitted that they wanted to remain a part of it - as long as they only had to do the 'sexy' bits - and are still desperately clinging on the renmants of their royal status.

I agree with you that many republicans are much more rational and see these chancers for what they are. Especially as one of Harry's many legal threats was against the anti-Monarchy group, Republic. What a great look for a man living off unearned royal wealth to threaten legal action against a grassroots lobby group. That, along with his recent First Amendment comments, indicates he has a bit of a problem with free speech and democracy. Well suited to royalty I should think.

I don’t think Charles can (refuse titles for the DCs) - it will be perceived as a racist move

I wonder how much that would matter now, given that H&M have done so much damage to their own credibility with their various inconsistencies?

The suggestion that Archie would be refused a title because of his skin colour's been rescinded - reportedly they "now realise it's just protocol" - and we can't know what the family have done about their other allegations, but no doubt there'll be another claim along soon, as surely as the sun rises in the east

The question is, will anyone really care?

The suggestion that Archie would be refused a title because of his skin colour's been rescinded - reportedly they "now realise it's just protocol"

I missed that. Where/when was that said or reported? Interesting that the retraction was much quieter than the big splashy accusation.

It's the RFs JOB to be in the news, when they are you will never hear them complain, explain or criticise. The Queen has been doing this for a very long time. She has learned that anything else and you open yourself up to intense scrutiny and criticism.

They have a press office who take all the calls and emails from journalists. This is where the "source" comes from. It's not a secret, in fact it's all very out in the open.

H&M on the other hand have nominated yon writer feller to be their "press office". Fair enough, but it's not as if they're owning all their own statements and "leaks".

Personally I think a lot of people aren't as outraged (at someone insensitively inquiring about any off springs colouring, perhaps in the context of how best to deal with the inevitable small minority of people who would be unhappy about that.) as you would think.

Without context, without knowing who said it and given H&Ms serious lack of credibility many people are wondering if it happened at all, or if it did they feel they are not hearing the full story.

I've seen lots of people turn this into a 'Montecito versus Windsor' sort of 'war'. You can see a few of them on this very thread. So many seem to believe that these two are making some sort of stand against the monarchy when they themselves admitted that they wanted to remain a part of it - as long as they only had to do the 'sexy' bits - and are still desperately clinging on the renmants of their royal status.

Ah yes. Ringing bells now. I’ve seen the type posting.

good to hear that racism is just someone being insensitive.

Good piece in the Telegraph today echoing @Serenster ‘s words that Harry believes or has now been led to believe that he is a personality, or star, and not just there by virtue of his birth. A lifetime of fawning, now repeated in California, but no understanding of the rules of the game.

How M&H and their children are styled and treated after HMQ has gone will depend on whether Charles is prepared to put the monarchy first. Like most parents, he presumably loves Harry dearly (with a huge whack of guilt in the mix) so whether he'll be a soft touch when it comes to titles and money or not remains to be seen. William is another case entirely.

Anyway none of H&Ms problems and hardships are an excuse to publicly slate a 95 year old recently widowed woman, and the institution she has run for 70ish years.

Well @Serenster I really cannot remember last time a royal sat down for a chat with CNN. What I am aware of is that CNN has been reporting a lot on the Sussexes for a while now, most notably since they renounced the British red tops. E&S were trashed on SM (a lot of the people international) for seeming to diminish Oprah.

To be fair, Edward was the best PR could send. He was cordial, professional and pleasant at the Commonwealth function (at WA), so he would be in general more palatable to those who think the RF is racist. He then also sounded less obnoxious than what he and his wife said to Camilla T, it kind of clarified that E&S have no real ill will.

While it feels a bit desperate and smacks of following H&M overseas press - atleast there were no attacks on H&M, I have to hand it to the palace PR on this one, it was not a bad move.