Harry to sue BBC

[Viviennemary]

I just read Harry is going to sue the BBC for announcing the Queen wasn't consulted over the name Lilibet. They said she was told of their plans . Maybe told isnt quite the same as consulted. When is this all going to end. Seems to be getting worse instead of improving.

Re: “The suggestion that Archie would be refused a title because of his skin colour's been rescinded…”

This came during a recent Discovery Plus documentary called ‘Harry and Meghan: Recollections May Vary’.

When discussing the situation regarding a title for Archie, Omid Scobie (who may or may not be briefed by the Sussexes) said:

”If we are only going by what Meghan said to Oprah and what the palace have said so far about the situation with Archie, perhaps one can assume that Meghan was wrong in her interpretation of it”.

Context samcro, is very important. I do not and never have excused racism. I'm questioning the context of what they said. We only have their version and they don't have a track record of being completely honest.

Words in and of themselves are not offensive, context, tone and intent are essential in order to judge whether something is offensive or not. In this case we have no context whatsoever. Therefore we cannot judge on facts so we must judge based off character, H&M have not been completely honest about so much, it's logical to conclude that they might not be being completely honest about this also.

@Mummy194

Well *@Serenster* I really cannot remember last time a royal sat down for a chat with CNN. What I am aware of is that CNN has been reporting a lot on the Sussexes for a while now, most notably since they renounced the British red tops. E&S were trashed on SM (a lot of the people international) for seeming to diminish Oprah.

To be fair, Edward was the best PR could send. He was cordial, professional and pleasant at the Commonwealth function (at WA), so he would be in general more palatable to those who think the RF is racist. He then also sounded less obnoxious than what he and his wife said to Camilla T, it kind of clarified that E&S have no real ill will.

While it feels a bit desperate and smacks of following H&M overseas press - atleast there were no attacks on H&M, I have to hand it to the palace PR on this one, it was not a bad move.

I don't see the need for 'desperation'.

The approval ratings of almost all the royals has risen over the past few months in YouGov polls. That of the Montecito Moaners has fallen from an already low base. They both now have negative net popularity ratings in the UK, which at the end of the day, is the only place - other than Commonwealth countries to some extent - that really matters for the royals. And even in the US, the queen, Kate, and William are more popular than the Harkles.

The royals have survived far bigger threats than a pair of bitter ex royals mouthing off to a has-been chat show hostess.

The approval ratings of almost all the royals has risen over the past few months in YouGov polls

I don't think that's strictly true. Young people, the next generation are the ones that matter in the future and nearly half of them don't feel like that.

www.unilad.co.uk/news/almost-half-of-british-youth-want-to-abolish-the-monarchy-survey-finds/

There's about a dozen other news sources of this from the Mirror, to the Express and Reuters. (just saying that before I get picked up on the one link I have put up)

Here's another one.

A slight tangent but I have become increasingly impressed with Edward, and Sophie, over the years. My work connects to Royals and senior politicians a lot, and he does a huge amount of charity work under the radar. Many people speak highly of him

@goldierocks

Re: “The suggestion that Archie would be refused a title because of his skin colour's been rescinded…”

This came during a recent Discovery Plus documentary called ‘Harry and Meghan: Recollections May Vary’.

When discussing the situation regarding a title for Archie, Omid Scobie (who may or may not be briefed by the Sussexes) said:

”If we are only going by what Meghan said to Oprah and what the palace have said so far about the situation with Archie, perhaps one can assume that Meghan was wrong in her interpretation of it”.

Thanks. Interesting.

Now we just need to pin down when Scobie went from being disavowed by the Sussexes to acting as their unofficial spokesman. 😏

a has-been chat show hostess

Young people, the next generation are the ones that matter in the future and nearly half of them don't feel like that.

The opinion of all demographics matter to anyone with a marketing or communications project, and the monarchy are dependent on one big ongoing marketing & comms job.

@goldierocks That is not rescinded. If Harry and Meghan had said the accusation was wrong, that would have been rescinded and would have been widely reported on.

@dementedma So Sophie knows not to bad mouth the Royals to others s she was recorded doing?

OS does not is not their spokesman, neither has he ever claimed to be. He was pegged as such by the likes of Dan W, because he refused to jump on the hate train.

The judge said he was briefed, because MM put out to the staff that info should be corrected, and if LCC had been checking sources, she also would have fallen under this ruling (of being briefed).

What @goldierocks is quoting is OS saying what he thinks, not what he was told, he does not even pretend this was briefed to him. His own opinions.

@Roussette

The approval ratings of almost all the royals has risen over the past few months in YouGov polls

I don't think that's strictly true. Young people, the next generation are the ones that matter in the future and nearly half of them don't feel like that.

www.unilad.co.uk/news/almost-half-of-british-youth-want-to-abolish-the-monarchy-survey-finds/

There's about a dozen other news sources of this from the Mirror, to the Express and Reuters. (just saying that before I get picked up on the one link I have put up)

Here's another one.

It is true. I said that the ratings of the royals have risen and those of the Harkles has decreased. And they have.

And let's see how the yoof feel in 5 or 10 years when they join the real world rather than the twittershere of shallow wokism.

It is good for the Royal Family reputation to have a regular slot on CNN. But I just tried to listen to it and found it really boring. Maybe there will be more interest in America?

Does it really matter they WERE wrong. Racism cannot be the reason Archie is not a prince, he hasn't been singled out as the only (at the time) mixed race blood royal. It's a fact that he has been treated exactly the same as all the other great grandchildren, with the exception of Williams due to being in the immediate line to the throne.

@IcedPurple That is very dismissive towards young people.
It is true older people have always favoured the Royal Family over younger people. Whether that changes though will depend on whether the racism charge sticks. Young people are much more ethnically diverse.

@RickiTarr. Sorry I’m a bit late to the party, but here’s is a link to their climb down over the Prince title thing

www.independent.co.uk/life-style/royal-family/meghan-markle-archie-title-prince-b1840772.html

@dementedma

A slight tangent but I have become increasingly impressed with Edward, and Sophie, over the years. My work connects to Royals and senior politicians a lot, and he does a huge amount of charity work under the radar. Many people speak highly of him

A look at the Wessex foundation, didn't they make £700, with a spend of £150K ?

[quote esterwin]@IcedPurple That is very dismissive towards young people.
It is true older people have always favoured the Royal Family over younger people. Whether that changes though will depend on whether the racism charge sticks. Young people are much more ethnically diverse.[/quote]
But young people will one day be old people, won't they?

But I agree that the royals will likely become less popular as time passes. However, that's a different thing from saying there is major anti-monarchist sentiment among the youth. The best thing is for Charles to push ahead with his 'slimmed down monarchy' plan, so that it is more in line with a ceremonial head of state, without all the hangers-on living off the public purse.

One thing is for sure, if the monarchy does fall it won't be because of unsubstantiated allegations of racism on an American chat show. That's already yesterday's news.

And let's see how the yoof feel in 5 or 10 years when they join the real world rather than the twittershere of shallow wokism

How disparaging towards 18-24 year olds. Many are in the 'real world' from when they leave school. Many go to University and straight into jobs at 21.

I have more respect for what they think than you obviously do.

[quote smilesy]@RickiTarr. Sorry I’m a bit late to the party, but here’s is a link to their climb down over the Prince title thing

www.independent.co.uk/life-style/royal-family/meghan-markle-archie-title-prince-b1840772.html[/quote]
Oh thanks!

However, that's a different thing from saying there is major anti-monarchist sentiment among the youth

I am not saying anything but linking news sources that say nearly half of 18-24 year olds are against having a Monarchy.

So half of 18-24 year olds want to abolish the monarchy? How does that prove that they like or support H&M and their recent actions? It doesn't and even if it did, it's half of one age group out of many.

In 40 years that might mean most people want to be rid of them, but it might not. We will have to wait and see. Still means nothing with regards to M&HS popularity or otherwise.

Them= The Monarchy

One thing is for sure, if the monarchy does fall it won't be because of unsubstantiated allegations of racism on an American chat show. That's already yesterday's news.

What is fascinating is how the palace was quick to say they will investigate MM and kept the racism in-house, not only that, but the palace sources did not come out with a refusal - maybe because H&M may then present the proof and name the person?

Young people are not stupid, they are not enamoured with dismissing these claims as ' recollections may vary' or lately 'from a second hand info' - even though the documents are produced. Judging by how many were willing to stand up for BLM and the taking down of statues, and the HMQ picture, the RF will have to do more than this.

www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/6/2/buckingham-palace-banned-ethnic-minorities-from-office-jobs

YouGov polls can be peculiar and contradictory, which is probably why I find them interesting.

In a recent poll (March 2021), Britons were asked who they would like to be Head of State if the monarchy was abolished.

Ironically the most popular person was Prince William, followed by David Attenborough.

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