Harry's latest ventures

[Viviennemary]

Now being reported in the Daily Express that Harry is working on a new tell all documtary about royal life. This is according to his biographer Angela Levin. And even more disclosures about the royal family are forthcoming. Is this going to go on for years. We shall have to wait and sed. I think its very very wrong of him.

@Viviennemary

There isnt much to say about Beatrice. She looks very happy. But if she started giving interviews aboug how much her father's behaviour had impacted her life. Or spoke about her parents marriage and divorce there would be plenty to say. But she doesn't becsuse its a private matter.

Precisely. She has learnt discretion due to her parents' shenanigans. William has learnt discretion due to his parents' shenanigans. Harry has learnt nothing.

There is a lot more than dollars riding on this sadly.

I hope it is worth it.

I suspect it may come to be a regret.

@Itreallyistimetochangethings

The reason isn’t there at all. It explains why the Queen didn’t attend the civil ceremony, not why they chose to have one.

You seem to have conveniently skipped the paragraph leading up to your statement.

You seem to have missed the actual stance of the Church of England on remarriage after divorce.

“The Church accepts that, in exceptional circumstances, a divorced person may marry again in church during the lifetime of a former spouse.”

It’s not a wholehearted endorsement of remarriage.

Posters like to say H&M court publicity, but at the same time seek out and feverishly consume every teeny morsel and snippet, dredging up the same old stuff over and over again in the absence of new content. How many posts and threads can there be about H&M saying their vows to each other in a ceremony 3 days earlier, a perfectly normal practice in many cultures. Beatrice obviously just isn't interesting enough to posters for them to look for things to say about her. H&M are such a big draw to posters, which is odd - they profess to dislike them so much but are so obsessed by their every move.

Just a little further teaser for us all

But as you rightly said, there's a lot of money riding on this and that's how they get the viewing figures; how often have you watched something and thought, "well, that wasn't all it was cracked up to be"?

Or maybe I'm kidding myself and he really will spout more "revelations" - which would be a shame, as I honestly don't think he's helping himself here no matter how good it feels at the time or how many schmooze him in pursuit of the cash

@HeadNorth

Posters like to say H&M court publicity, but at the same time seek out and feverishly consume every teeny morsel and snippet, dredging up the same old stuff over and over again in the absence of new content. How many posts and threads can there be about H&M saying their vows to each other in a ceremony 3 days earlier, a perfectly normal practice in many cultures. Beatrice obviously just isn't interesting enough to posters for them to look for things to say about her. H&M are such a big draw to posters, which is odd - they profess to dislike them so much but are so obsessed by their every move.

It’s both fascinating and horrifying at the same time. We are watching history unfold before our eyes. With Covid limiting the news content somewhat, this has understandably become the box office draw it has been designed to be. The drip feed of PR promises more revelations, more secrets. It’s a soap opera by their design. They are complicit.

This has been the case for H&M those who constantly profess to dislike them post the most and seem to know every detail about their lives. If I compare to Trump - I don't think much of him - he was always in the news but I certainly would not start threads about him and seek out information on someone I have no time for.

Speak for yourself. I’m just bored.

@RubyViolet
I get all that but what makes it that if you detest someone so much that you actually spend time on seeking and following their every move - that's the part I don't get from many who are anti M&H - it's not just one or two things it is constant and everyday there is a new thread or someone starts a thread with a vagueish heading knowing it's going to end up about M&H and be nasty.

Sorry that was to HeadNorth

Plus agree many cultures have more than one ceremony. But not H or M’s cultures.

I find the apologist’s efforts to come up with ever more Byzantine explanations for the latest batshittery fascinating.

@Itreallyistimetochangethings

This has been the case for H&M those who constantly profess to dislike them post the most and seem to know every detail about their lives. If I compare to Trump - I don't think much of him - he was always in the news but I certainly would not start threads about him and seek out information on someone I have no time for.

There is an unfortunate sense of unease about the unfolding events. Several parallels with Diana - both clearly vulnerable, both described as 'young' when in their mid-30s. Some identical tropes permeating their lives. People have mentioned a new Oprah interview, which is, quite possibly, the worst thing that he can do right now.

'Beatrice obviously just isn't interesting enough to posters for them to look for things to say about her. H&M are such a big draw to posters, which is odd '

There is nothing odd about it. Again, Beatrice doesn't go on tacky chat shows to reveal all. She doesn't criticise the institution that gives her the privilege they enjoy.

H&M cause a lot of division with their contrary messaging which is a shame. They could be a force for good but criticising the rf people yet exploiting their status comes across as a bit grubby. I feel sorry for his family who are keeping a dignified silence while he is going all LA with his oversharing.

This is a genuine question; in cultures where the traditional wedding is important is that ever done in private or would there be witnesses (family etc)?
Thanks.

Playing devils advocate here.

Wedding ceremonies may be a cultural norm but I would guess that a prenup, also a cultural norm amongst the American wealthy, would not consider it valid. Which one is more meaningful to this couple? The spiritual vows or the union of names, titles, child’s name, security in the event of a divorce. Meghan is an intelligent articulate woman and she knew what she was saying when making that comment. I believe it was her reiterating, ‘my love doesn’t cost a thing, I’d marry you in the garden’. Thing is, she rounded it off with we called up the Archbishop and got him over. Harry probably isn’t aware that most people don’t have AB at their disposal.😬

The Royal family and their accumulation of wealth and rule over the centuries has been built off the back of POC. Slavery. They have clearly shown disdain of racism, accused current members of it but are willing to milk their titles knowing fine well what the ‘empire’ represents?

Racism is everywhere. It is in the UK, USA, Australia.. People turn a blind eye when it suits.
Danny Bakers joke- funny or offensive?
Prince Harry in a Hitler outfit- funny or offensive?

I’m afraid I don’t buy in to the spiel. Just like I don’t buy in to other celebrities who want to save the turtles but will flog bottled water and only fly in private jets.

@Binglebong - the cultures I am familiar with the witness would be the elders in the family - not necessarily grandparents - it could be great uncle etc. But usually the head of the family. I was not being literal in my previous comment as somebody below took it and said it was not M&H culture. My point is that to the audience that Heard Megan's comment there are many who would understand that there is more than one way to marry - but there are also plenty who only see the world through their own narrow experience of what a wedding is hence the outcry.

Thank you.

Here is something on this “tradition” of private vows

www.weddingwords.us/vow-writing-tips/private-wedding-vows

Yes, some (perhaps many) cultures have more than one ceremony. A Romanian colleague had two ceremonies - one for each family Different dresses, different ceremonies. I'm not sure even she knew which was the legal one.
I've been to several services of blessing for couples where one was a divorcee and they had a register office ceremony first, including for my own mother.
I went to Australia for a friend's wedding - at the start of the ceremony the vicar announced that owing to immigration problems with the home office my friend had been forced to marry her (British) husband a few weeks earlier in the U.K. and that we would now celebrate their union with a service of blessing. If anyone was cross I missed it. Everyone understood the legal imperative and this was their special day and the day that mattered to them. Their wedding "service" if you like as opposed to the earlier legal ceremony.
The problem with Meghan's announcement is what she said. If it had been (as it must have been) a private exchange of personal vows, blessed by the Archbishop why didn't she say so?
She could have said something along the lines of "The run up to the wedding was incredibly stressful and we realised it would be difficult to have a private, intimate moment and so we asked the Archbishop to bless us while we made private vows, and he was happy to do it, so kind of him, it was very special and we have those vows on our bedroom wall." Everyone would have known what she meant and I don't believe anyone would have begrudged them that. People would have entirely understood and probably thought it most romantic. And it would have been respectful of the Archbishop.
But instead she said "Three days before our wedding we got married. No one knows that.....we called the Archbishop and just said look, this thing, this spectacle is for the world, but we want our union between us". Sounds pretty rude to me. And I think everyone knows that at a Wedding you get Married.

She's not an uneducated teenager. If they exchanged personal vows that is what she she should have said, bearing in mind this was an interview for worldwide consumption. And it was filmed in advance. I'm pretty sure she could have called Oprah and said actually scrub that, I meant a private exchange of vows.
So no, I won't shrug and say "Meh, she meant something else. So what." She's meant to be media savvy and intelligent. I have no idea why she said what she said but I'm sure she had her reasons. The most charitable interpretation is that it was very silly and disrespectful.

[quote Gorgeouslilgirl]Here is something on this “tradition” of private vows

www.weddingwords.us/vow-writing-tips/private-wedding-vows[/quote]
My favourite bit

“Many couples will recite their private vows during their first look. This adds to the intimacy of the moment. Plus, you’ll have your photographer and videographer there to capture it.”

Nothing like a bit of intimacy with a photographer and videographer

I agree Siri. I wonder why she bought it up?

But what is even more bonkers is the obsessive indignation here about it. She was a bit boorish perhaps. Who cares?

The UK apparently got back as much as was spent if not more in revenue from a RF wedding related tourism (this is one of the arguments for having a RF anyway).

So what... honestly I am utterly bemused why people feel affronted as if they personally organised and paid for the wedding!

I agree little bear, these private vow things are quite American 😂

I am an introvert and found my wedding excruciating. So I can understand why they wanted to have a private ceremony of some sort, their own ‘safe space’.

'Precisely. She has learnt discretion due to her parents' shenanigans. William has learnt discretion due to his parents' shenanigans. Harry has learnt nothing.'

Exactly. His poor kids yet he ironically doesn't want history to repeat itself 🙄.

I wonder how mafia families work? Is family and business fully intertwined? Can you opt out of one but not the other?