Harry's latest ventures

[Viviennemary]

Now being reported in the Daily Express that Harry is working on a new tell all documtary about royal life. This is according to his biographer Angela Levin. And even more disclosures about the royal family are forthcoming. Is this going to go on for years. We shall have to wait and sed. I think its very very wrong of him.

'He’s a 36 year old, highly privileged man, stop blaming other people, he’s an adult who needs to take responsibility for himself'

He is but he is damaged and vulnerable, for that I have empathy for. He seems to be surrounded by networks and celebs who are exploiting him.

@lemmein
But why doesn't he think of William? William was not to blame for his mother's suffering, and probably faced the same challenges Harry did but in throwing his family ( the senior members) under the bus he is also attacking William as well

@Dongdingdong

No idea why people are blaming Oprah for all of this. Harry and Meghan weren’t forced to speak to her, reveal such personal details about themselves or slag off the royal family. It was their choice.

Yes but she has provided them with a monstrous PR vehicle, global reach .

And she is now the third person in that marriage!

That's how she made her billions. Find the vulnerability and help it, support it, validate it - all the way to the bank!

Its Jeremy Kyle all over again. And that ended badly. Shame on Oprah.

@Viviennemary

Its Jeremy Kyle all over again. And that ended badly. Shame on Oprah.

Indeed. One of the apple programmes shows him receiving treatment as a pp said. What a gross intrusion of privacy. It's all being sold as 'raising awareness' but it is taking advantage of a damaged man who has an axe to grind.

@Dongdingdong

No idea why people are blaming Oprah for all of this. Harry and Meghan weren’t forced to speak to her, reveal such personal details about themselves or slag off the royal family. It was their choice.

While we expect adults to be responsible for their own actions, some people may experience times of vulnerability. As a society, we recognise this, hence the availability of helping professionals. Harry clearly feels vulnerable, says so himself, and is asking for help. Some people, such as Oprah, seem to have offered this 'help' but in the form of a gladiator sport (she could have just arranged for him to see someone quietly and without fanfare but she owns a TV production company...). This will help her more than him.

[quote Sh05]@lemmein
But why doesn't he think of William? William was not to blame for his mother's suffering, and probably faced the same challenges Harry did but in throwing his family ( the senior members) under the bus he is also attacking William as well[/quote]
I've no idea - but turn it around, why would he if they had the strong bond we were led to believe they have? Are we just supposed to go with the 'nasty Meghan making Harry hate his own blood?' I don't believe that. Maybe the rumours around William has broken their bond? Maybe Harry disapproved of William doing the same to Kate as Charles had done to his mum (allegedly)

I really don't know, but there must be a reason why his loyalty has broken - I don't believe for one minute it's for the money as others are suggesting, he's already wealthy (as is his wife), he has no need to fear poverty - this is very much about exposing the hypocrisy of the 'family' I think. Saying all that, I think it will end badly for him, sadly - one voice isn't as powerful as the establishment, as his mother discovered.

@ajandjjmum

Did Meghan actually say that the only reason she didn't commit suicide was because she didn't want Harry to suffer another loss?

This sounds almost abusive

Pretty clear now that Oprah has been playing a long game from the moment she was invited to the wedding, and that the purpose of doing a series apparently on 'mental health' was to lay the ground for exactly this kind of soul-baring and trashing of the private workings of the royals. One would hope that Harry and Meghan, if they were also playing a long game, would have seen that at least partial restraint would be better for their brand in the long term. But they are not taking that approach.

I think a lot of people thought that Oprah had this in mind from very early on.

Also, we can all see the spin every time a story about Andrew pops up in the US- we can all see the UK press desperately diverting the attention from that to Meghan, do you think Harry can't see that too? Would you have loyalty to an establishment which creates non-stories about your wife to divert from the shame of the pervy uncle? I don't blame him one bit. If someone posted on here 'my in-laws keep making up stories about me to protect my DHs uncle and DH is not calling them out' people would reply 'you have a DH problem' Harry is calling it out so now people are saying he has a DW problem

And now we blame Oprah too - I didn't see anyone blame Emily Whatsherface when Andrew did his 'I don't sweat' interview. No one asked why Andrew did an interview which would cause embarrassment to the family - funny that.

It is a slow motion car crash that is really disturbing to witness. Harry has been isolated from anyone that can actually step in and help him, badly advised and he is now being exploited for money. No one who cares about ethics and decency should want any part of it, people should refuse to watch it if they care at all about mental health.

@lemmein

Also, we can all see the spin every time a story about Andrew pops up in the US- we can all see the UK press desperately diverting the attention from that to Meghan, do you think Harry can't see that too? Would you have loyalty to an establishment which creates non-stories about your wife to divert from the shame of the pervy uncle? I don't blame him one bit. If someone posted on here 'my in-laws keep making up stories about me to protect my DHs uncle and DH is not calling them out' people would reply 'you have a DH problem' Harry is calling it out so now people are saying he has a DW problem

And now we blame Oprah too - I didn't see anyone blame Emily Whatsherface when Andrew did his 'I don't sweat' interview. No one asked why Andrew did an interview which would cause embarrassment to the family - funny that.

I think Andrew was deluded enough to think that the interview would garner sympathy and that he would be believed. Thus getting both himself and his family off the hook and out of the spotlight. Like Harry, he just made a fool of himself and caused a huge shit storm.

I don't believe for one minute it's for the money as others are suggesting, he's already wealthy (as is his wife), he has no need to fear poverty

They are doing it for the money and self-esteem. Neither was independently wealthy before they met - Harry's money is his family's money while Meghan rented everything. They mix in circles of self-made billionaire men and women, so Harry's masculinity will have taken a bashing. Likewise for Meghan regarding her own self-esteem when she compares herself to Beyonce and Oprah.

Harry said he was part of the Truman Show when he was in the Royal Family. Now he's shown having therapy sessions on Oprah. Come off it Harry. There was a series I watched where 'celebrities' had sessions with a therapist eg Kerry Katona. I think Kerry's a bit more honest and didn't pretend she wasn't doing it for money.

@Summercocktailsinthesnow

It is a slow motion car crash that is really disturbing to witness. Harry has been isolated from anyone that can actually step in and help him, badly advised and he is now being exploited for money. No one who cares about ethics and decency should want any part of it, people should refuse to watch it if they care at all about mental health.

Sadly, lt is beginning to look like history is being repeated. How sad the tv show is being aired on the same day the reports about Bashir ‘s manipulations are being exposed. As a PP said it almost Shakespearean in its tragedy.

'One would hope that Harry and Meghan, if they were also playing a long game, would have seen that at least partial restraint would be better for their brand in the long term. But they are not taking that approach.'

It is their grievances at not being able to do as they please that is clouding the issue.

No one would dispute his upbringing will have left him with deeply entrenched issues and professional help is necessary but it is the bitterness and resentment that seems to be motivating their current media oversharing.

'And now we blame Oprah too - I didn't see anyone blame Emily Whatsherface when Andrew did his 'I don't sweat' interview.'

That was a one off, not a sycophantic interview either. Maitless challenged him. Oprah on the other hand seems to nod along to whatever he says.

And now we blame Oprah too - I didn't see anyone blame Emily Whatsherface when Andrew did his 'I don't sweat' interview.

I imagine nobody saw Andrew as vulnerable and exploited like they do Harry, and Emily Maitlis was not making any money out of it.

No one asked why Andrew did an interview which would cause embarrassment to the family - funny that.

On the contrary, the coverage of the Andrew interview was so savage that the Queen had to sack him.

*'And now we blame Oprah too - I didn't see anyone blame Emily Whatsherface when Andrew did his 'I don't sweat' interview.'

That was a one off, not a sycophantic interview either. Maitless challenged him. Oprah on the other hand seems to nod along to whatever he says.*

Harry hasn't been accused of a crime

No one asked why Andrew did an interview which would cause embarrassment to the family - funny that.

Actually I think the main response was “why the fuck did he do that? Did he really think that would help??”

'Harry hasn't been accused of a crime'

She wasn't carrying out a legal interrogation you know and anyway, if you're a professional interviewer you challenge responses not sit nodding along to every fabulous utterance.

Not sure if Winfrey is star struck or if this is how she always interviews celebs. Can't be too mean I suppose, lest they take their custom elsewhere.

They are two completely different situations

Andrew us a stupid arrogant possibly sexually dysfunctional adult who was taken to the cleaners by Emily Maitlis

Harry is a vulnerable man with mental health issues who is being possibly exploited by a massive media machine . He has done nothing wrong other than trust these people .There is one person making millions out of this and that’s Oprah. At the end of this , when they have chewed him up and spat him out what benefit will he gave received, will he then have peace of mind ?

No one asked why Andrew did an interview which would cause embarrassment to the family - funny that

@lemmein
Yes, and no one blamed Beatrice who was the one who encouraged and set up the Maitlis interview. Beatrice and her father met Maitlis beforehand to discuss it. She thought it would be a good thing.

He comes across as incredibly vengeful, which in itself suggests he's not in a mentally healthy place. As PP said, he's speaking from an open wound as he's processing things. And whilst processing things and working through trauma is important it is a process and the way you feel at different points are not always entirely rational. Going on TV repeatedly at the stage he seems to be at is a potentially very destructive thing to do.

The comments about Meghan's reasons for not committing suicide were really concerning to me - both in terms of what it says about their relationship but also what it says to/about suicidal people.

I wouldn't want to grow up in the RF and I have no doubt they have many failings but this dynamic of him constantly taking aim whilst simultaneously complaining that he hated the intrusion, stories, press narrative and so on is just so counterproductive and hypocritical. He hated people (including MMs family) selling stories about him but he is doing exactly the same to his own family.

We need to talk about mental health issues and dealing with trauma, but I don't think this will help him in the long run.