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Harry’s podcast

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smilesy · 13/05/2021 21:27

Carrying on the discussion about Harry’s podcast.

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LittleBearPad · 14/05/2021 20:55

To have got those results at Eton given the excellent teaching he would have had and the one to one support is almost impressive

DeRigueurMortis · 14/05/2021 20:59

@Roussette

What is does suggest is that he's probably not overly gifted with the critical thinking or analytical skills that are closely linked to academic success

Fuck. What does that make me?!

Tosh.

I have NO academic succcess whatsoever yet I have done well.

It doesn't make "you" anything.

Intelligence is a very rounded concept and as per my post below academic success is simply one part of that picture.

The most academically successful person I know (PHD in astrophysics) is simultaneously the most the incapable when it comes down to the practicality's of life.

Likewise one of the the most capable people I've ever worked with left school with no qualifications whatsoever but went on to have a stellar career in a very technical discipline.

The point being made is not about his grades per se. There are many students for whom that would be a great achievement - but they (like you presumably) did not have the benefit of a world class education.

Whichever way you cut it, Harry is not by an academic standard "blessed".

IcedPurple · 14/05/2021 21:01

@LittleBearPad

To have got those results at Eton given the excellent teaching he would have had and the one to one support is almost impressive
His D in Geography was the lowest result in his class.

And of course, he'd never have got within a million miles of Eton had he not belonged to the family he is so intent on disparaging in front of the world.

Diverseopinions · 14/05/2021 21:04

I think it's a silly comment about being brought up as a spare with no role. We all just live. We create a destiny of our own through our actions, and if you're the grandson of a monarch, that means doing whatever you like and people telling you you're fantastic. In Harry's case, enjoying himself, chatting up any woman he fancies, then being shoe-horned into his steps at royal events, pushed and guided. Then being in the army. (William wouldn't have been allowed to serve overseas in the army - nor to commit as many indiscretions. )

The mistake the royals have made is to cut down the scope and number of the working royals. You need a lot more of them so that if one comes forward with a feel for civic duty, an interest in people and a resilience, then they can do a lot of the jobs, and people who don't like it, or who are sensitive can step back . Photogenic ones who like being in the papers can be pin-ups.

Royal life isn't toxic to everybody; some people have liked it. I think Prince Philip liked it.

But fame is a very strange thing. There is no rhyme or reason why people get popular...the ones who can't sing or act. If you can't sing or act or play football, you're an influencer. If you influence, you have to strike a chord with what people think. You're judged. Sorry, but judged on how valid your judgements are. Even seventeen year olds on Tiktok can strike a chord - some of them. Who knows what's a bit special beyond what another pretty seventeen year old miming has got. That's celebrities.

If you go on media spouting your banal views, you are going to have people judging you as an influencer because that's your job now. You're being paid for saying things. If people analyse your comments and critisize them, they are not being horrible about you, they are booing, like people boo a comic; or voting you off, like audiences do with contestants on Big Brother, or to someone who used to be a singer but now they're a talker, on 'I'm a Celebrity..' Harry used to be a serving royal. Now he's a contestant on the popularity contest that is 'A' class celebrity life. Instead of burrowing in soil for termites to eat, it seems like he's burrowing for nuggets of dirt to sell about his family. If he isn't and he's got a great, life-enhancing purpose, then he'd better start putting his message across a little better because it's not hitting home with people.

Is it really surprising that people say the odd critical comment about Harry.

As for judging people's views and saying they strike a chord or don't: saying we can be anything we like and much better than a princess is illogical because if you even think about being a princess and what it means, you are never going to have a better life. You can only have a charmed life if you don't care about any of that because you care about integrity and kindness and can therefore stick two fingers up at life's vicissitudes. Any life you go out and try to make can be shot down by providence: illness and a wrong choice can break any flourishing career or marriage. This whole notion of just going out and making a life you want is like just 'driving systemic change, one act of kindness at a time': you can't have that kind of agency over your own life or the collective experience.

And, what sphere of logic or reasoning calls admitting to the public on prime time TV that there was an actual row with your sister-in -law over bridesmaid dresses kind? That is never going to be a kind act to Kate. And if you want to be kind, turn the other cheek. Don't do tit for tat and say "She was mean first" and then think you've found some innovative way of creating a pure press.

But speaking of comedians and popularity, that Hugo Rifkind fiction of a book on ' Dads' was a piece of humour which would get a lot of laughs.

smilesy · 14/05/2021 21:05

There is an interesting piece in the Telegraph (sorry to keep quoting from here, but they have written a few things about Harry’s podcast today). It is by Angela Levin

www.telegraph.co.uk/royal-family/2021/05/14/william-harry-two-dukes-two-different-approaches-happiness/

“In it she says this:

He spoke of wanting to “break the cycle” of “genetic pain” passed from parent to child and how, as a result, he had no choice but to escape to America with his wife and child. Interestingly, he added that he owes his decision to have therapy to a conversation with Meghan, which helped “burst the bubble”.

This struck me as odd, as I interviewed Harry at length shortly before he got engaged to Meghan in 2017, for the biography I was writing. Our conversation turned to his depression and panic attacks, and I asked if Meghan had encouraged him to get help.

“Absolutely not,” he replied. “She had nothing to do with it.” It was, he said, his brother Prince William who had convinced him his mental health needed attention. “At first I didn’t listen,” he added. “The time wasn’t right and like many others, I don’t like to do what my older brother says.” In the end, though, he took his advice and added how grateful he was for the help.“

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MrsRockAndRoll · 14/05/2021 21:06

@Ocsetldil

Harry will buy a vineyard and will sell his Royal Reisking on QVC.
This

With a diiamonique jewellery line based on famous royal pieces

Roussette · 14/05/2021 21:11

Diverseopinions
An interesting post. I enjoyed reading it. Very measured.

And no, of course it's not unusual to be making to the odd critical comment about Harry. At all.
Only to be expected.

chaosrabbitland · 14/05/2021 21:12

@smilesy

No one is saying that Harry shouldn’t share his MH experiences. What is being questioned is why he is suddenly blaming his father and grandparents publicly in a podcast. They may see things differently and may not have had any discussion with him about this. How can it be right to publicly accuse someone of something out of the blue when they may have no idea what they are supposed to have done. How will that affect their mental health?
i dont think hes bothered about anybodys mental health except his own , not that i think theres much wrong with it , its a nice ploy that sells , except of course he wont have anything left once people get totally bored with it
DeRigueurMortis · 14/05/2021 21:13

Royal life isn't toxic to everybody; some people have liked it. I think Prince Philip liked it.

I not sure that's wholly true.

It's well documented that he very much lamented the end of his Navel career.

Rather than "like it" I think it's probably closer to the mark to say he made the best of it and got on with the job.

That's not to say there were some aspects of his role that he really did enjoy (such as his military patronage's and the DofE scheme).

But that's life isn't it? How many of us enjoy every facet of our work?

ChiefInspectorParker · 14/05/2021 21:13

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smilesy · 14/05/2021 21:14

@DeRigueurMortis. Great post but I had to laugh at “Navel career” 😂. We so need an edit function on here.

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Roussette · 14/05/2021 21:16

Kate can’t be expected to ‘correct’ every stupid, insignificant newspaper story

But there's very little of that about Kate?

Yet, Meghan's negative stories never stopped. It was relentless

DeRigueurMortis · 14/05/2021 21:16

[quote smilesy]@DeRigueurMortis. Great post but I had to laugh at “Navel career” 😂. We so need an edit function on here.[/quote]

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DeRigueurMortis · 14/05/2021 21:23

If you go on media spouting your banal views, you are going to have people judging you as an influencer because that's your job now. You're being paid for saying things. If people analyse your comments and critisize them, they are not being horrible about you, they are booing, like people boo a comic; or voting you off, like audiences do with contestants on Big Brother, or to someone who used to be a singer but now they're a talker, on 'I'm a Celebrity..' Harry used to be a serving royal. Now he's a contestant on the popularity contest that is 'A' class celebrity life. Instead of burrowing in soil for termites to eat, it seems like he's burrowing for nuggets of dirt to sell about his family. If he isn't and he's got a great, life-enhancing purpose, then he'd better start putting his message across a little better because it's not hitting home with people.

I fully agree with this.

When you choose to make your money by monetising your opinion/experiences you're naive at best to think you're entitled to be beyond criticism.

Royalty and celebrity are very different things and I feel neither H or M fully understood/understand them respectively (ironically each coming from the opposite experience).

Blossomtoes · 14/05/2021 21:29

@Roussette

Gosh! How awful!

B in art!

Let's knock him for that! Makes sense! He isn't an academic!

Nor am I !

Left school at 15, so there!

Thing is Harry didn’t leave school at 15. He went to the most expensive school in the country, which sends swathes of its pupils to Oxbridge. He had to be tutored to get him into Sandhurst - and trust me, you don’t have to be very bright for that.

Your constant defence of a spoilt, petulant, entitled man is mystifying @Roussette.

Scrambledbeans · 14/05/2021 21:30

I just can’t get over the time that Roussette must need to spend to police these threads about Meghan constantly. It must be a full time job!

Aspiringmatriarch · 14/05/2021 21:31

@LittleBearPad

To have got those results at Eton given the excellent teaching he would have had and the one to one support is almost impressive
He's almost certainly got some kind of SEN - dyslexia maybe, or ADHD? Anyway I don't think his lack of academic prowess is a measure of his worth as a person in any way. One of the things I dislike on these threads (there are a number of phrases repeated ad nauseum) is the dismissive remarks about him not being 'the sharpest knife in the drawer' etc etc.
ChiefInspectorParker · 14/05/2021 21:33

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nicenicenice · 14/05/2021 21:39

@Summercocktailsinthesnow

They burnt all of their bridges . I am breaking my own cycles, but part of that is being aware of passing on/creating crippling new ones for your children!. Archie now has to contend with being a so called racist family, a mentally unwell mother that was suicidal whilst pregnant with him and told the world about it, parents that can only think of themselves and seem largely incapable of putting the child's needs first. And Harry thinks all of this is not damaging??

The strangest thing of all, the most messed up part for me, is that by publicly announcing to the world endlessly about their endless issues they are actually damaging Archie every. single. time.

This. I literally couldn't believe my ears when M admitted suicidal thoughts that her child would one day come to know about. For someone who purports to care about good MH the out and out damage all of this will do to their children beyond the confines of their infancy will be immense.

There's a good reason recovery of any sort is confined to anonymous safe spaces. Playing this stuff out on a global stage is incredibly vulnerable making. He will come to regret it in time even if he can't see it now. Their advisors don't give a shit about their position as perpetual victims. It's really self destructive.

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DeRigueurMortis · 14/05/2021 21:41

He's almost certainly got some kind of SEN - dyslexia maybe, or ADHD?

H disclosed aged 22 that he has dyslexia in an interview with Jeremy Clarkson.

nicenicenice · 14/05/2021 21:44

Based on impulsivity I wouldn't be surprised

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