Harry’s podcast

[smilesy]

Carrying on the discussion about Harry’s podcast.

I actually believe that H&M were the catalyst for W&K realising they needed to change their stiff and formal appearance

I do hope so. I mean... it was just ridiculous, how on earth can the public identify with or relate to them with that image. Even the outfits were of a different era.

I will watch and hope that there is change on its way.

'While I have empathy for anyone with MH problems attacking and blaming others constantly and publicly is not healthy or constructive'

Yes in mh week show some mental health awareness fgs! think Haz how this is making your df db and Granny feel???

It just seems more like score settling in the guise of 'my truth' and 'my trauma' californian over sharing.

@mermaidsariel

Trouble is he has no clue what life on a council estate in Middlesbrough would be like. If he did he might wake up to himself.

I think he has zero clue about real life, full stop. He's always had someone telling him what to do and running his life for him. The royal staff, his military superiors when he was in the army, and now Meghan and his shiny new American 'friends'. I reckon he has no clue that the latter are only interested in how for as long as they can make money from him which, if he continues on this path of constant self-pity, may not be for much longer.

The problem is not that he talks about mental health openly but that he attacks his family in doing so, dragging them into the debate against their wishes and providing the tabloids with royal fodder. So his priority is clearly to talk about himself, and not to unleash a safe space of compassion for Charles or his grandmother.
He really is a massive hypocrite and so embarrassingly clueless.
I suspect he's angry at his mother for dying but has to take it out on whoever's living, so the therapy hasn't been working at all.

Many people choose to do things slightly differently with their own children, not just to do with their parents, but also because social mores change. The way that the Queen was brought up is similar to the way my Mother-in-law was brought up. There are certainly family traits that come from that upbringing but it was the accepted way at the time in their sphere. So it may look dysfunctional to us now, but so may elements of our parenting to people in the future.
For instance it was uncommon for people of any class to say “I love you” on a frequent basis to older children, until relatively recently . That does not mean those children weren’t loved, just that people were more restrained in their language. My own mother , born in 1931, didn’t tell me she loved me until she was in her eighties and very frail, but she expressed that love in all manner of other ways.

I think Harry has been encouraged to view his family through a very unsympathetic lens, and he will regret that in years to come. He really is throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

@mermaidsariel

Trouble is he has no clue what life on a council estate in Middlesbrough would be like. If he did he might wake up to himself.

So, in your humble opinion, wealthy and privileged people should not be permitted to speak out about mental health, especially their own. Really?

@KarensChoppyBob

I'll never grasp the sheer hatred directed at these two.

Oh they're Royal/privileged/famous so they should just accept all the 'hate'.

Oh their mental health can't possibly have been affected by their lives so far, the privileged twunts. Wanting to give their children a different life, selfish idiots. Not to mention being happy and in love, such a crime.

They should be keeping a stiff upper lip no?

I hope they and their family thrive, mainly right now just to see the cats' bum mouths reactions here.

No one is saying they don’t have a right to live their own life. The vast majority want them both to be happy. What sticks in the craw is his endless whining self pity and her hunger for validation.

This is straying in to dangerous territory imo:

“The Duke also said there was “so much he wanted to say” about the First Amendment, which protects freedom of speech, religion and the press, which he did not yet fully describe but which he said was “bonkers”.”

@StormzyinaTCup

The thing with breaking one cycle (which is understandable) is you have to be careful you don’t create a whole new (and equally damaging) one.

I think research has shown a history of family estrangement puts you at risk of estrangement from your parents as an adult I think this cycle is already in motion and is perhaps an important one to break

If he was my son, I would very sad it's very unkind and as a incredibly wealthy man sounds massively entitled

@smilesy

This is straying in to dangerous territory imo:

“The Duke also said there was “so much he wanted to say” about the First Amendment, which protects freedom of speech, religion and the press, which he did not yet fully describe but which he said was “bonkers”.”

At the very least, he should not be using British royal titles when offering his vacuous opinions about the constitution of a foreign state. He's only lived in America for about 5 minutes, but now he's qualified to publicly opine on its constitutional freedoms?

Didn't Lizzy Cundy go on the record saying that Meghan asked her to fix her up with some wealthy British guys whilst in London? And that she (MM) messaged a number of premiership footballers?

No one thinks that rich people can't be unhappy. Being poor is more likely to make you unhappy, but being rich does not make you happy. Their wealth is beside the point. The point is the endless hypocrisy and blaming other people just to create tabloid tittle tattle. If they had quietly gone to California to enjoy their millions and live their lives under the radar, I think the overwhelming majority of people would just have wished them well and left it at that. The current situation is entirely of their own making and I have no sympathy.

@Whythesadface

I'm sure I read somewhere that Meghan has fallen out with her mum. Fancy that.

Where did you read that? Or is that just another bit of idle speculation? I'm one of those irksome people who checks on things I read/am told, so am interested to know your sources for that particular nugget.

@SuperSange the involvement of Lizzie Cundy just about sums up this whole tawdry show.

@Applesonthelawn

The problem is not that he talks about mental health openly but that he attacks his family in doing so, dragging them into the debate against their wishes and providing the tabloids with royal fodder. So his priority is clearly to talk about himself, and not to unleash a safe space of compassion for Charles or his grandmother. He really is a massive hypocrite and so embarrassingly clueless. I suspect he's angry at his mother for dying but has to take it out on whoever's living, so the therapy hasn't been working at all.

Absolutely this!

[quote RoseRedRoseBlue]@SuperSange the involvement of Lizzie Cundy just about sums up this whole tawdry show.[/quote]
Indeed.

As regards H saying inappropriate things regarding political life in US, it won't be long before he's in hot water. We know of old that he regularly puts his foot in it, they've yet to learn. Won't be too many years from now they'll be a little wiser on why there is little sympathy left for Harry in the UK.

No doubt, lots of info about both H&M has been protected from public domain for various reasons, they're the ones opening up the floodgates on any number of things they'd prefer not revealed. I think the idea that they will be able to proclaim they expected privacy from anyone will now be without merit - the RF can't speak to them as they know details will be leaked.

and as a incredibly wealthy man sounds massively entitled

So being wealthy precludes you from any suffering at all, is that what you're saying?

Didn't Lizzy Cundy go on the record saying that Meghan asked her to fix her up with some wealthy British guys whilst in London? And that she (MM) messaged a number of premiership footballers?

As I get asked continually to provide sources, could you provide one for this? Particularly MM texting of footballers. I remember reading that LC tried to fix her up with Ashley Cole, but given that LC spends her life around the periphery of anyone famous, I do take it all with a pinch of salt.

@artquejtion

I agree with whoever mentioned the Norland nanny for Williams kids, dressed like something out of the 1950's, it is so out of touch with real life it is beyond a joke.

I'm sorry @artquejtion, but I don't agree with you. What would you have the children wear? Scruffy jeans and 'superhero' T-Shirts? They probably do wear mufti at home, but when they are 'on show' I think it is quite correct to dress them in decent outfits, as befits their status.

they'll be a little wiser on why there is little sympathy left for Harry in the UK

Or completely the opposite.

Am I imagining this ? I seem to remember only 4 years ago Harry speaking very warmly ,and apparently genuinely,about PC in a documentary on his 70th.Something along the lines of always being there for us and very supportive .William at the time was criticised for not publicly praising Charles as a dad when Harry did.
I actually have no sympathy for Harry now and feel for PC and the Queen in all of this.And imagine it must have strengthened the bond between PC and PW as both have a job to do in the face of all this crap.
I can't for the life in me think why H and M think any of this is helpful. They are about to have their daughter.Can't they just enjoy their family life without all this drama.It now seems vengeful and spiteful -completely contradicting their mantra about being 'compassionate '

Of course rich people can talk about their problems, but surely it’s rather stupid to moan about being financially cut off from your family when you are a millionaire.

Saying that with a straight face whilst knowing there are millions of people watching, some of whom are struggling because they aren’t fortunate enough to be born into the Royal family, is a slap in the face and hardly going to get any sympathy.

I’m also curious why my last message was deleted, it wasn’t insulting, it was true.

Where did you read that? Or is that just another bit of idle speculation? I'm one of those irksome people who checks on things I read/am told

You must have been working overtime after the Oprah interview!