I wonder if reconciliation is possible?

[sunnyblackwidow]

With Prince Philip now gone, the queen not as robust as she once was and grieving her loss, Prince Charles looked distraught today, Harry with a new baby on the way, memories of Diana's funeral today....I wonder if now isn't the perfect time for them to just all get together show their love for each other and clear the air (perhaps without Meghan's presence as she seems to inflame things).

I think it'll be telling how long Harry chooses to stay in the UK before he returns to the US (a clear indication of whether he's willing to hang around for a little while to mend fences or rush back home to Meghan and Oprah and Gail) I really wish the best for them all, family is everything but I'm not holding my breath.

@Viviennemary

We need a public apology.

Agreed.

But I don't think the Sussexes have the courage or insight to do so.

I don’t think Meghan does apologies.

The RF have a lot of influence if they play the game. Harry talked about it in the Oprah interview, it was an eye opener. If the Palace wine and dine and give access to the press, they get good press. He called it 'the invisible contract'.

Apparently though that was another inaccuracy. A member of the Press wrote an article refuting their statements. Said this isn’t what happens at all.

A member of the Press wrote an article refuting their statements

A member of the press wrote saying the press says it doesn't happen! Exactly, they would say that.

It's obvious it does happen. Look at Kate taking her own photos... and feeding them to the Press as and when. The media have accepted that from W&K as long as she keeps them coming. There will be unspoken agreements of 'you scratch my back, and I'll scratch yours'.

The RF threw Meghan and Harry to the tabloid lions to keep William’s infidelity quiet and distract attention from HM’s blue-eyed boy Andrew.

If I were Harry I wouldn’t be forgiving that any time soon.

I want to know when Harry's going back home because I'm nosy

I keep hearing this. What is the evidence? No evidence W was unfaithful apart from a malicious tweet, quickly deleted. The rumour itself is supposed to have come from Meghan anyway and circulated amongst the Soho House set.

If William's camp weren't feeding gossip to the press about Harry's wife every time a juicy story of the sort available in foreign press was in the pipeline maybe there wouldn't be a rift 🤷‍♀️. It's incredibly inappropriate to diminish someone's experience of racism too, especially when it's completely uncontested by the culprits. The Windsors need understand they are fully accountable to the public if they want to carry on with their lifestyle.

JFC now Meghan Markle is being blamed for the William Windsor stories. I've heard it all now!

I want to know when Harry's going back home

I heard he was staying for the Queen's birthday in a couple of days, then going back.

@Pyewackect

He slagged off his own family to the world. How would you feel ?.

If it was one of my siblings they'd be out of my life forever. One of my children is harder, I don't think they'd be out of my life but I'm not sure I'd ever trust them again.

@Alltheprettyseahorses you clearly haven't seen the coverage of the funeral in America. If anyone is feeding things back it's Meghan, her so called friends were embarrassing trying to make out they had the inside scoop because of their connections to her. Same as her friends leaking parts of the letter to her father, you can't play the media and not expect to get hurt.

@Alltheprettyseahorses

If William's camp weren't feeding gossip to the press about Harry's wife every time a juicy story of the sort available in foreign press was in the pipeline maybe there wouldn't be a rift 🤷‍♀️. It's incredibly inappropriate to diminish someone's experience of racism too, especially when it's completely uncontested by the culprits. The Windsors need understand they are fully accountable to the public if they want to carry on with their lifestyle.

I think the gossip is only going one way. Finding Freedom, the interview on Oprah and the constant leaking from ‘friends’. Omid Scobie and Gayle King are Meghans mouthpieces.

What is the evidence? No evidence W was unfaithful apart from a malicious tweet, quickly deleted.

Evidence:

The affair rumour was common knowledge amongst the aristo set for years, long before it got in the press or online.

William massively over-reacted (made a huge legal threat and claimed his "human rights had been violated") to an ostensibly innocuous story that didn't even mention him, about Kate falling out with a neighbour. Why would William feel so threatened by and be so desperate to shut down discussion about Kate not getting on with a neighbour, unless there was something deeper at play?

William using extreme legal threats to censor the British press from covering the rumour at all.

Kensington Palace issued a stern press release chiding Tatler and threatening legal action after they published a negative article about Kate, but in actual fact the only part of the article KP's lawyers had removed was a single paragraph about William and Rose, they didn't bother to have any of the nasty stuff about Kate removed. Why? Why was William so threatened by any mention of Rose he took legal action to censor the mere mention of her?

It was William's own behaviour in freaking out and banning any mention of Rose Hanbury that made people think there was no smoke without fire.

Rose Hanbury's brother gave a statement to the media to defend them against the affair rumour, and he acknowledged that William and Rose had private dinners just the two of them while Kate was away.

Multiple people who know royals personally have tweeted or spoken about the affair as being common knowledge.

Royal reporter Tom Sykes, who is from an aristocratic and royal-connected family (and who dislikes Meghan FYI) is on record as saying he heard about the affair from three separate people he regards as reliable sources, including the granddaughter of an earl.

It's clear that at the very least the affair rumour is all over the aristocrat set, which IMO torpedoes the blog post claiming Meghan started it. Why would aristos listen to and believe Meghan, a total stranger who's not one of them? The rumours started long before Harry and Meghan's wedding, do you really believe the first thing Meghan did on arriving in England was start spreading bizarre lies about her boyfriend's brother within his own friendship group? And they believed her?

One way gossip?mobile.twitter.com/CamillaTominey/status/1215063788275277824

Anyone who doesn't realise that royals call up the press to leak stories is just incredibly gullible.

Royals leak to the press constantly. It's been happening for decades. All the senior royals except the Queen and probably Anne have pet journalists who they rely on to get their side out. Charles and Diana had rival pet reporters who they'd each use to get their own side out. Even Carole Middleton has a "close friend" who's a tabloid reporter who she regularly takes out for lunch, and Carole is a master at playing the media which is why she gets so much media coverage and magazine covers.

The palace regularly arrange private events for tabloid editors, look at Richard Palmer's response to being confronted over his attendance at a party BP threw just for tabloid reporters, he was shocked and said he thought the party would be kept secret. Why is BP throwing parties for tabloid reporters?

William and Kate's press secretary's boyfriend was busted accepting payments of £4000 from the Sun (Byline Times has copies of bank statements).

The palace shoved Dan Wootton's best friend onto Meghan as her head of communications. His name is Jason Knauf and Jason smeared Meghan his own boss in the press for years, is the person who gave the Thomas Markle letter to the press, is the person who made the bullying allegations without the knowledge or consent of the alleged bullying victims (then leaked the whole thing to the tabloids) and totally fucked up his job as Thomas Markle's press handler. And he broke his NDA. William and Kate rewarded him by for this extraordinary level of ineptitude and backstabbing fraud by making him CEO of their foundation despite him having no relevant experience.

Jason Knauf hired his girlfriend/best friend Melissa Touabti as Meghan's head PA when she'd never worked as a PA a day in her life, she got fired for gross misconduct after being caught leaking stories to the press, and she was immediately hired to be a live-in nanny to a billionaire Tory funder whose sister is a tabloid journalist - why on earth would a billionaire who's part of the British establishment hire someone fired for leaking stories to tabloids, trust her enough to let her live in his home, unless she'd been acting on orders?

How much corruption, cronyism, and backstabbing do you need?

Give me ONE possible reason William and Kate would award the top dog CEO role to someone with no qualifications, someone who is clearly untrustworthy and has a history of fucking up his job breaking NDAs and stabbing his bosses in the back, unless it was to reward him and keep him quiet? Either William and Kate are exceptionally stupid, or Knauf was acting under orders.

@StormzyinaTCup

She probably doesn't want a nasty pile on from the usual suspects.

Your right derxa

As much as I would like to post it, I have neither the time or the inclination at the moment to deal with a pile on by those who have their rose tinted specs on.

adrianmolesmole Don’t worry I have saved it, you’ll just have to wait a bit longer

oh come on. so please tell me where the posters called "defenders" have hounded you all over the internet? people who has defended them have been. someone disagreeing with you is not a "pile on"

Exactly Samcro there is no 'pile on' at all.

There is a difference in the threads from say a year ago, the mood has changed and lately there have been more posters coming out and disputing or disagreeing with the ridiculous endless negative criticism of M&H. Some MNers are just heartily fed of up it.
So the echo chamber of hate is no more, that's all.

If the affair rumours are true and he's a total idiot if they are I don't know how his wife stays with him. I couldn't.
It would be very awkward meeting his very supportive inlaws.

I also don’t think Harry would want anything to so with him. Having a private dinner with a friend is not having an affair.

I’m on the periphery of the “aristo” set and believe me, they are the biggest gossips ever. Anything to detract from their own bad behaviour. They may be pillars of society but you need to take what they say with a massive pillar of salt.

@LadyEloise

If the affair rumours are true and he's a total idiot if they are I don't know how his wife stays with him. I couldn't. It would be very awkward meeting his very supportive inlaws.

I assumed she does not have a choice really & accepts this is her life now. it comes with the job and wouldn't the in-laws just keep out of it while comforting their daughter. Charles can hardly offer any words of wisdom in that area to Will and I'm sure Kate's parents knew what they were pushing their daughter into. Kate is more about keep smiling on the outside, that's what makes her great as the future King's wife, let's face it she is not Diana or Meghan so Will can do what he likes!

I don't think they'll be any real reconciliation while Harry is with Meghan.

Trust has been broken, deeply and utterly shattered, its one thing for them to apologise to each other but it will take years for trust to be regained.