I wonder if reconciliation is possible?

[sunnyblackwidow]

With Prince Philip now gone, the queen not as robust as she once was and grieving her loss, Prince Charles looked distraught today, Harry with a new baby on the way, memories of Diana's funeral today....I wonder if now isn't the perfect time for them to just all get together show their love for each other and clear the air (perhaps without Meghan's presence as she seems to inflame things).

I think it'll be telling how long Harry chooses to stay in the UK before he returns to the US (a clear indication of whether he's willing to hang around for a little while to mend fences or rush back home to Meghan and Oprah and Gail) I really wish the best for them all, family is everything but I'm not holding my breath.

@LadyEloise

If the affair rumours are true and he's a total idiot if they are I don't know how his wife stays with him. I couldn't. It would be very awkward meeting his very supportive inlaws.

After watching what his parents went through i would doubt he had an affair and it explains the overreaction by William he never wants to be seen as his father's son in that respect

I imagine he would prefer to be back in the fold and is sorry he ever left the way he did. Its all been a downhill since.

I don't care what people say about me but I've often noticed that pro-royalists will whip up a storm of outrage whenever someone raises uncomfortable questions they'd rather pretend didn't exist.

In this case:

Why on earth did Will and Kate choose to give the plum job of CEO of their charitable foundation - a job that surely requires an absolutely unblemished record and scrupulous honesty and trustworthiness - to a man with a history of breaking NDAs, giving private copyrighted documents to the tabloids, leaking to the press, having dubious relationships with tabloid journalists/editors, stabbing his bosses in the back, fucking up hiring decisions, and generally doing a piss poor job of his actual job?

Which palace insider repeated Kate and Meghan's private conversation at the dress fitting to the tabloids in the first place?

What palace insider leaked Harry's plans to leave to the press, before they could be announced?

Why was Christian Jones not fired when his partner was exposed as selling royal stories for cash? Why was there not an investigation?

Why did Will over-react so massively to an innocuous little story that didn't even mention him?

When KP issued a press release decrying Tatler's horrible article attacking Kate, how come the only part of the article they had edited out was a fairly benign paragraph about the Cambridges' Norfolk neighbours (which mentioned Rose and several other neighbours) from the Tatler article, and none of the stuff that was actually about Kate?

It's exactly like in the last thread, the minute I asked the poster claiming to have official RF evidence to post a link to it, she and several other posters ramped up the name-calling and insults in an attempt to derail the thread and detract attention away from the fact she simply couldn't provide the information she claimed to have.

It's all been a downhill since.

Yes, worldwide celebrity, £100 million Netflix deals, hobnobbing in the California sunshine with mega-celebs, and new babies: all so very depressing and dull. Poor Harry.

I bet he can't wait to return to a life of opening sports centres in Wolverhampton and being a living prop for his brother.

@ohforarainyday but that means you have Harry and Meghan's mentality that ordinary/disadvantaged people are inferior.

You're placing a value judgement that mixing with 'celebrities' means that they are intrinsically better.

They won't give up the titles though, however much they denigrate the RF in public and worship the cult of celebrity.

@Viviennemary

I imagine he would prefer to be back in the fold and is sorry he ever left the way he did. Its all been a downhill since.

He has to tell himself he's living his best life and they are now FREE though, otherwise the crushing guilt would be intolerable.

@ohforarainyday

I don't care what people say about me but I've often noticed that pro-royalists will whip up a storm of outrage whenever someone raises uncomfortable questions they'd rather pretend didn't exist.

In this case:

Why on earth did Will and Kate choose to give the plum job of CEO of their charitable foundation - a job that surely requires an absolutely unblemished record and scrupulous honesty and trustworthiness - to a man with a history of breaking NDAs, giving private copyrighted documents to the tabloids, leaking to the press, having dubious relationships with tabloid journalists/editors, stabbing his bosses in the back, fucking up hiring decisions, and generally doing a piss poor job of his actual job?

Which palace insider repeated Kate and Meghan's private conversation at the dress fitting to the tabloids in the first place?

What palace insider leaked Harry's plans to leave to the press, before they could be announced?

Why was Christian Jones not fired when his partner was exposed as selling royal stories for cash? Why was there not an investigation?

Why did Will over-react so massively to an innocuous little story that didn't even mention him?

When KP issued a press release decrying Tatler's horrible article attacking Kate, how come the only part of the article they had edited out was a fairly benign paragraph about the Cambridges' Norfolk neighbours (which mentioned Rose and several other neighbours) from the Tatler article, and none of the stuff that was actually about Kate?

It's exactly like in the last thread, the minute I asked the poster claiming to have official RF evidence to post a link to it, she and several other posters ramped up the name-calling and insults in an attempt to derail the thread and detract attention away from the fact she simply couldn't provide the information she claimed to have.

All of this may well be true. I don't know. But the Oprah interview was disastrous and damaging for everyone and they didn't need to do it. If I was Prince Charles I would be heartbroken.

Did you hurt yourself stretching like that?

It certainly appears to be the royalists who are obsessed with fame and status, what else explains the obsessing over Harry and Meghan's fame level and income, and need to constantly reassure themselves and each other that celebs are just using them and will be ditching them soon, and that Harry and Meghan are guaranteed to fall into impecunious obscurity any... minute.... now....

How awful that royalists regard a new and much-wanted rainbow baby as "all downhill."

I bet he can't wait to return to a life of opening sports centres in Wolverhampton and being a living prop for his brother. I would rather do that than live in California. That's because I love this country and am interested in people at all levels of society.

I meant downhill in his relationships and respect and trustworthiness within his own famiily.

I meant downhill in his relationships and respect and trustworthiness within his own famiily.

Fair enough, but none of the other royals are doing anything to win back Harry's respect and trust after throwing him under a bus for decades, using him as a media scapegoat, leaking stories about him and his wife, and engaging with a mass tabloid smear campaign.

We always knew Harry was going to leave we knew Harry wasn't happy what we didn't think would happen was him going on Oprah working for CBS the people who published that photo of his mom the network he and his brother condemned that was the part for me that stood out the most

The racism part didn't shock me Harry has been racist himself in the past on several occasions as has his grandfather and you know children learn where they live first

@ohforarainyday no that wasn't a stretch. You're saying that opening a sports centre and drawing attention to it, which might really help the community and disadvantaged people, is to be sneered at in favour of talking to George Clooney.

Interesting that they wanted to keep their honorary titles, jewels, uniforms, security paid for by England whilst eschewing the work they deem beneath them.

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Personally I completely disagree - as someone who's been homeless and lived in poverty, I find the sight of ultra-wealthy and privileged royals being chauffeured in so they can pose for photos with disadvantaged people deeply distasteful, and to not benefit anyone except the RF and the media.

Genuinely meaningful projects like the Duke of Edinburgh scheme or Invictus are the things that genuinely benefit them, and I'm glad Harry is not only continuing his work with Invictus, but using his Netflix deal to focus on them more.

The ultra wealthy and privileged H&M being chauffered and jetted by Elton John etc go over your head? £50k engagement dress?

I'm not actually a royalist although jury's out on whether it's beneficial structurally.

As the RF shrinks they will have to reevaluate where they put their time. Which charities and initiatives retain patrons, which don't. I also think the number of short engagements will be cut.

15 years ago their must have been about 12 working Royals Inc Kents and Gloucesters, they are now down to about 8 including 4 over 70s.

No way can they do the same number of stuff.

I don't care what people who earn their own money do. Elton John worked hard for his money, it's his to spend as he chooses. Similarly Harry and Meghan can spend their £100 million from Netflix on anything they like.

I resent being told that royals who don't work and live off the taxpayer are "really helping the community and disadvantaged people" by popping along for a 20-minute photo op.

As the RF shrinks they will have to reevaluate where they put their time. Which charities and initiatives retain patrons, which don't. I also think the number of short engagements will be cut.

It's a good point. In 15 years Will and Kate will be the only working royals who aren't elderly, so either they'll really have to step up to the plate, or the Cambridge children will get pushed into work young.

@ohforarainyday

I don't care what people say about me but I've often noticed that pro-royalists will whip up a storm of outrage whenever someone raises uncomfortable questions they'd rather pretend didn't exist.

In this case:

Why on earth did Will and Kate choose to give the plum job of CEO of their charitable foundation - a job that surely requires an absolutely unblemished record and scrupulous honesty and trustworthiness - to a man with a history of breaking NDAs, giving private copyrighted documents to the tabloids, leaking to the press, having dubious relationships with tabloid journalists/editors, stabbing his bosses in the back, fucking up hiring decisions, and generally doing a piss poor job of his actual job?

Which palace insider repeated Kate and Meghan's private conversation at the dress fitting to the tabloids in the first place?

What palace insider leaked Harry's plans to leave to the press, before they could be announced?

Why was Christian Jones not fired when his partner was exposed as selling royal stories for cash? Why was there not an investigation?

Why did Will over-react so massively to an innocuous little story that didn't even mention him?

When KP issued a press release decrying Tatler's horrible article attacking Kate, how come the only part of the article they had edited out was a fairly benign paragraph about the Cambridges' Norfolk neighbours (which mentioned Rose and several other neighbours) from the Tatler article, and none of the stuff that was actually about Kate?

It's exactly like in the last thread, the minute I asked the poster claiming to have official RF evidence to post a link to it, she and several other posters ramped up the name-calling and insults in an attempt to derail the thread and detract attention away from the fact she simply couldn't provide the information she claimed to have.

100% this. The RF leak like a sieve considering all the bloody NDAs but noone takes then to task, woe betide H&M speak out. At least its from themselves in that interview saying it. Love to see th RF say it themselves instead of leaking it.

They said as much in the interview the RF court the press behind doors cos they need them onside. So no wonder these leaks happen.

Absolutely appalling if you ask me.

I think Beatrice and Eugenie should be drafted in. They are quite presentable and know what's expected. Still we shall have to wait and see what they come up with. Charles and William are meant to be having a meeting about it in the next few weeks. According to that Oracle the DM. So it must be right.

The thing is how could you have a full and frank discussion anyway when you know there is a good chance the likes of Gayle or Omid would be reporting it in the American press within days. So really anything more than general small talk is ruled out by that alone.

I find the sight of ultra-wealthy and privileged royals being chauffeured in so they can pose for photos with disadvantaged people deeply distasteful

I agree with this. It’s not dissimilar to the ‘white saviour’ trope that Stacey Dooley et al have been criticised for.

It’s not just royals, it’s a common celebrity thing.

I suppose the argument is that it attracts publicity and therefore donations to whichever cause they’re highlighting.

I think the actions of The Gates’ Foundation (who have, without fanfare, contributed substantially to the worldwide near-eradication of polio) are more palatable, though I guess the Gates’ substantial personal wealth makes that possible.

And a 100% chance Dan Wootton will be reporting it in the British press within hours.

@Viviennemary

I think Beatrice and Eugenie should be drafted in. They are quite presentable and know what's expected. Still we shall have to wait and see what they come up with. Charles and William are meant to be having a meeting about it in the next few weeks. According to that Oracle the DM. So it must be right.

Some of the cousins will end up getting drafted in. Sooner or later it's common sense 2 people can't do all of it.