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Harry has a lot to answer for.

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Corcory · 10/03/2021 10:14

I think Harry has a lot to answer for in this whole debacle. He's a 35 year old man brought up as a Royal who should know how the whole thing works and how to ensure his wife is fully educated in the rules and regs. of being a Royal. She was his wife, why on earth was she going to HR at the Palace for help with mental health problems? Harry has loads of experience and the knowledge of where to get help, what on earth was he doing? Harry knows full well that there is a rule about not being given a royal title when it comes to Archie. Why didn't he explain this to Megan? It has absolutely nothing to do with Archie's skin colour. Why is Harry moaning about having their security removed given his father paid £4m for their security after the tax payer stopped paying after they moved to California?
It is not the Royal family's decision whither or not someone has The Metropolitan Police fly over to do security duties.
Prince William sorted the press out when they were making disparaging comments about Kate, why didn't he put his foot down as his brother did?

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Truelymadlydeeplysomeonesmum · 18/03/2021 14:20

@Roussette

What?

H&M are not tied to the RF now so they can do what they want. Grifters? How rude.

Good to see K&W are doing something.

As the have throughout the pandemic and before you mean
eckerslike · 18/03/2021 14:23

We didn't want them to earn their own money - they did - initially they thought on a 50/50 half in half out deal....

They were told that's not possible.

They should renounce their titles if they really want to be free of all binds to the RF. But we all know they won't.

HeadLikeAFuckinOrange · 18/03/2021 14:33

The comment was probably something to do with the newspaper articles really being insane if they had a really dark skinned baby, and could H deal with that? Not great, but it does fit with someone expressing concern.

I agree, I think there's a manipulating of context going on here.

hellosally · 18/03/2021 14:35

MM talking about feminism and being a feminist, yet willingly joined the most long-lived patriarchal institution in human civilisation.

eckerslike · 18/03/2021 14:38

On balance I shouldn't have called them grifters - I disagree with @Rousette's sentiments, but I apologise for using that work.

Generally my hunch is that H&M are losing control of the narrative here. I sense support is waning. The thing is having done the interview, they're made themselves sitting ducks in terms of their responses being analyised and being shown to be either untrue or the truth in them having been stretched and someone distorted....that's a dangerous place to be because once you've shown yourself up in that light, it affects reputation.

GraceFairbrother · 18/03/2021 14:45

Not RTFT and have name changed.

Might is have been planned to do it at a time when she was visibly pregnant to get sympathy?

If you changed it round and it was Princess Harriet and Magnus Markle, would it be viewed differently?

If it was MM's family who had shown concern that the baby might be ginger-haired, would that have been as bad as what allegedly was said?

PH has upset his family, at a time when his almost 100 yrs old grandfather was in hospital. Did he at no point consider his grandmother.

MM seems to have fallen out with a lot of people.

TheCraicDealer · 18/03/2021 15:07

I'd thought it was something similar to @Paquerette's hypothesis tbh. It would certainly fit with a genuinely concerned sibling worrying about how their brother (who is already sensitive to the press) would cope with a scenario like that, rather than being overtly racist. It doesn't make the family member a horrible person for wanting their relative to enter into a relationship with their eyes open for their own benefit and that of the prospective spouse.

Meghan has overlooked her husband and best friend's racist antics, the latter being pretty horrific and much more recent. It's hard to reconcile her forgiveness of JM with how she's opened up a relative to such criticism over a single comment made several years ago.

Mysterian · 18/03/2021 15:15

@Itsalonghaul

I wish H&M well, I hope the interview draws a line under the whole fiasco, and they can get on and enjoy their lives. I also hope the RF put the same amount of effort into investigating the racism claim as they do the Meghan's bullying of staff. It is not enough to say they are not a racist family in passing.
The problem with the claim of racism is that H&M won't say who it is. It would be hard enough if it was their word against the other person, but as it is now, it's nobodies' word against nobody. How the hell do you investigate it?
FinallyHere · 18/03/2021 15:19

What would you do if it was your child?

Honestly, the last thing I would do would be to move to LA, the gun capital of the USA

William was quite lucky with Kate really,

W & C certainly took their time. Kate had her share of horrible tabloid headlines.

Looking back, once Kate had outridden the usual tabloid hysteria, favourable comparisons had been drawn between Kate's loving family background (Christmas with her rather than his family) and Diana's broken home. Kate's last night before the wedding with her family at The Goring v Diana's solitary supper at Clarence House.

While my sympathy was originally for MM, it seems as if William's questions about being 'sure' about getting engaged within a year of meeting someone totally unused to the RF are indeed justified.

I do hope they all find a way for it to work. You couldn't pay me to have a role in such an openly, necessarily patriarchal institution.

GraceFairbrother · 18/03/2021 15:23

I am pretty sure that William could foresee trouble with MM, which is why he advised Harry to wait.
Even I could foresee trouble.

Absolutely nothing to do with race, but she was an american actress and celebrity.

Why didn't they get the Duchess of York to brief her on what marrying the heir's spare was like?

eckerslike · 18/03/2021 15:25

indeed. But I wonder if she would have listened? If she had bigger plans anyway from the start (ie moving back to the US after a couple of years) then it would have fallen on deaf ears.

Lockdownbear · 18/03/2021 15:36

@GraceFairbrother
I'm too trusting, I thought she was lovely, would bring a breath of fresh air into the RF.
Actor was used to press and being in the spotlight.

I now have a very different opinion.

GraceFairbrother · 18/03/2021 16:12

When I saw the vanity fare [delib misspelling on my part] article, I thought 'Oh No'.

The jeans with a rip in - not what you wear to appear in public with the head of state's grandchild.

My overwhelming impression of the wedding was that she seemed just a little smug and that it would not last.

What will happen to PH when they split up?

Is it just me, but doesn't it look like he's being controlled?

Lockdownbear · 18/03/2021 16:20

What will happen to PH when they split up?

If he keeps his nose clean the Palace will do a PR exercise and have him back as a working Royal.

If he doesn't he'll end up in the gutter or on drugs and penniless.

It will be one of them I can't see him being in the middle P Andrew style. Andrew hasn't tried to hurt his family.

eckerslike · 18/03/2021 16:22

@Lockdownbear

What will happen to PH when they split up?

If he keeps his nose clean the Palace will do a PR exercise and have him back as a working Royal.

If he doesn't he'll end up in the gutter or on drugs and penniless.

It will be one of them I can't see him being in the middle P Andrew style. Andrew hasn't tried to hurt his family.

Agree! If the PR exercise works, it'll take on a biblical 'prodigal son' type of story.....
Diptyque · 18/03/2021 16:25

I’m amazed these threads are still here TBH.

Roussette · 18/03/2021 16:26

"If he keeps his nose clean the Palace will do a PR exercise and have him back as a working Royal.

If he doesn't he'll end up in the gutter or on drugs and penniless.

It will be one of them I can't see him being in the middle P Andrew style. Andrew hasn't tried to hurt his family"

Good grief.
This thread has gone bonkers. Even saying Harry might end up in the gutter on drugs or peniless is bizarre.

How horrible to talk about a couple splitting up whilst they seem perfectly happy and are expecting a second baby.

Gross.

As for Andrew not hurting his family. There has been plenty of that. He's done a helluva lot of damage to his family

Lockdownbear · 18/03/2021 16:34

Andrew has done some stupid things but he's never accused the family of being racist or say Royal engagements are about putting on a front.

eckerslike · 18/03/2021 16:36

How horrible to state that a senior member of the RF remarked about the colour of the baby, linking it to the title question.....thereby setting off days of speculation about the identity of the 'racist' royal, etc...and doing damage to the RF as a result.

That too is horrible.

Musmerian · 18/03/2021 16:38

Why do you care?

GraceFairbrother · 18/03/2021 16:40

But I don't see them why break the rules for Williams children?

Maybe it was because they are higher up in the rank of succession than some with titles of prince/princess.

eckerslike · 18/03/2021 16:40

If directed at me, @Musmerian, I care because it is profoundly damaging and unfair to an institution in this country that can't answer back.

It also will have an effect on the MH of those RF members so identified.

didofido · 18/03/2021 16:41

@Truelymadlydeeplysomeonesmum

Archie Harrison Mountbatten-Windsor, born Monday, May 6, is entitled to be the Earl of Dumbarton.

However when his birth was announced they had not excepted the title offered. No public explanation why. However Haz's cousins have also not wanted titles for their children (Zara Phillips for example). So it was just seen as wanting a more private life for their child. Now it looks like they have either changed their minds or were not happy with the title 🤷‍♀️

Maybe because Earl is used as a given name in the U.S. Meghan didn't think it was much of a title? He would have been called Lord Archie Sussex. Sounds better?
Diptyque · 18/03/2021 16:44

I tried to post this earlier DidoFido

Google comes up with actors called Earl in a nanosecond.

Harry has a lot to answer for.
Lockdownbear · 18/03/2021 16:59

I didn't think kids could be given a Lord title so Googled - you can buy a Lord title.
Maybe Meghan should have done that if Earl wasn't good enough.Grin