Harry has a lot to answer for.

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I think Harry has a lot to answer for in this whole debacle. He's a 35 year old man brought up as a Royal who should know how the whole thing works and how to ensure his wife is fully educated in the rules and regs. of being a Royal. She was his wife, why on earth was she going to HR at the Palace for help with mental health problems? Harry has loads of experience and the knowledge of where to get help, what on earth was he doing? Harry knows full well that there is a rule about not being given a royal title when it comes to Archie. Why didn't he explain this to Megan? It has absolutely nothing to do with Archie's skin colour. Why is Harry moaning about having their security removed given his father paid £4m for their security after the tax payer stopped paying after they moved to California?
It is not the Royal family's decision whither or not someone has The Metropolitan Police fly over to do security duties.
Prince William sorted the press out when they were making disparaging comments about Kate, why didn't he put his foot down as his brother did?

I wonder why you feel so qualified to speak for Meghan and Harry? An why you feel above everyone else your view is the right one?
Your views are just so fixed, you are not even able to acknowledge that this is pretty shit for all of them. Including H&M. You seem so determined to keep up this false idea that they are so perfect, in love and Archie will never be affected and will live happily ever after.

You seem very very fixed on just defending everything they do, regardless of what it is, it is strange. Really strange rousette

Perhaps you are the one that is projecting in fact. As you can't see two sides of the story at all. Clinging to the disney version in the face of everything. Critical thinking should allow for balance, debate, consideration for another view. Acknowledging that we do NOT know everything, and can not hope to. And yet every post you tell everyone that they are wrong.

Not really considering that in fact, it might be you that is wrong.

I can see two sides. No one is one-dimensional and utterly perfect - to refuse to admit that M&H are absolutely above reproach is odd.

And the hypocrisy! Outrage if anyone casts aspersions on M&H or their world, yet happy to plough on in with stuff about any member of the rf.

it can be noted

Meghan moved to the UK, left behind her mother, friends, work, home environment and structure. She was undoubtedly lonely, homesick, felt suicidal. She was in a totally alien environment. She wasn't in the UK that long, really.

Harry has moved to the USA/LA, left behind all his family and friends, burnt and scorched those family relationships, the rigid structure and environment of his whole life - the military, the charities, the RF. He has said he hates the media - the flashing bulbs etc - but now has to up his game to work with media and celebrity and "flashing bulbs". Isn't it likely he is going to be homesick and lonely and everything Meghan felt and more?.

@Itsalonghaul

Why is it wrong? That is what I see rousette It is not easy for me to say it, but I don't think for a minute I am the only that sees it. Anyone that has had an experience like this, knows the signs. Inside and out.

I don't believe Harry had any choice but to leave. I think Meghan threatened all sorts, and we know she took the flight to Canada alone with Archie. It was all extremely last minute.
We know they did not plan it this way. Harry wanted to move to Africa, not Hollywood. They had hoped to be half in and half out, and when that didn't work he was forced to choose.
Her or them.
He choose her, and the Canadian life they said they wanted quickly morphed into Hollywood celebrity mansions - and before he even had time to unpack up or decompress he is signed up and mortgaged to the hilt. Job done. And if that wasn't enough, just to make doubly sure he won't leave, she burns every bridge with his family in full technicolour.
And you are trying to tell me this is a good outcome for him?

Spot on

@Kokeshi123

I think the general weirdness of growing up as a royal or indeed as a celebrity (where it's harder to have normal friendships and it's also very difficult to know whether overtures of friendship from another person are actually genuine or are actually motivated by a desire for money or status) makes family members more important. If I were part of the royal family, I think I'd really want to have decent relationships with other royal family members who "get" what it's like to grow up like this and who can be relied upon not to be sycophants or friends of convenience.

In any case, Harry has also alienated himself from so many of his friends, ex Army people and the people at Invictus etc. I find it strange that Meghan appears to be so OK with this.

This is my thinking. It's not the same as a normal family. Wouldn't you want to stay close to the few people in the world who know what it's like to grow up with an actual queen as a relative? Who know how weird and brilliant and tough that life can be? Why wouldn't you want to keep a link to those people, unless they're truly vile to you (which I just don't think has happened in this case)?

itsalonghaul

As you can't see two sides of the story at all

Same as you then.

No one is one-dimensional and utterly perfect - to refuse to admit that M&H are absolutely above reproach is odd

Don't think they're beyond reproach at all. I've never said that. You just see my posts defending the horrible stuff... like hes in an abusive marriage and he'll be heading back to 'his family' soon.

I think they're a couple of twats at times. Don't think they are perfect. But also don't think they deserve all the hate they get either.

@Itsalonghaul

I wonder why you feel so qualified to speak for Meghan and Harry? An why you feel above everyone else your view is the right one? Your views are just so fixed, you are not even able to acknowledge that this is pretty shit for all of them. Including H&M. You seem so determined to keep up this false idea that they are so perfect, in love and Archie will never be affected and will live happily ever after.

You seem very very fixed on just defending everything they do, regardless of what it is, it is strange. Really strange rousette

could say the same about the posters who are just making stuff up now. really strange to make up stuff about H being in a abusive relations ship.

strange

And the hypocrisy! Outrage if anyone casts aspersions on M&H or their world, yet happy to plough on in with stuff about any member of the rf

Laughable. Where's your outrage then that a private investigator was hired to supply Meghan’s Social Security number, her cellphone number, her address, and details about her mother, estranged father, siblings, ex-husband and others. Story on the news a few days ago. If you're looking at both sides, you should be appalled at that.

Would you like to link me to where I have 'ploughed on about any member of the royal family?'

Andrew yes. Continually. Not sure he is worth defending given his track record

I saw that "private investigator" on tv the other day. He was American. Who hired him? Has it been established it was a British organisation?
And I haven't seen any acknowledgment that many of the terrible headlines featured in the Oprah interview were in fact from foreign publications, not just British, as was implied.

I feel for M, she really had no idea what she was getting into the hell she did. Sorry not buying that.

like @Itsalonghaul, for anyone who has witnessed a coercive relationship up close this one has all the red flags. The almost imperceptible silencing touches included. Harry can no longer go for a beer (vetoed) with friends (vetoed) after a day stalking (vetoed) on the hills (vetoed) or whatever he enjoyed (vetoed) doing in complete privacy (vetoed). out with all that and in with veganism, yoga, a round the clock close protection team and photocalls to announce anything so much as a difficult fart. He can no longer even have a phone call with his own brother without it going unreported FFS. Its like watching Invasion of the Bodysnatchers.

Reading a bit about M's bestie Markus Anderson today, tinfoil hat on of course, but so far so shady. Hope there's nothing to leak out about M's past, because if its there it will.

without it going Reported. FFS.

This. like @Itsalonghaul, for anyone who has witnessed a coercive relationship up close this one has all the red flags. The almost imperceptible silencing touches included.

You could almost read it in Relationships.
Given up his job, fallen out with his family, moved to her home country...

Harry has been especially tone-deaf in relation to his Grandfather.

Can't help wondering how this pair are going to spin their truth when that announcement comes.

But apparently he doesn't matter, because he is 'privileged' and 'rich' but actually what I see is a broken and vulnerable man looking to be loved, someone that was easy pickings in the end.

He is absolutely screwed. I say that as someone that escaped my own situation. Whatever he does now he can't win. If she stays, he will be continue to be very unhappy and feel isolated, and if he leaves she will make his life a living hell by weaponising everything he has ever said to her. Nothing will stop her then.

No one falls out with everyone. The writing was on the wall even back then. You hear it on here all the time, when someone shows you who they are, listen. Well no one did, because we were so enthralled by her beauty, charm and perhaps hope that he would have his happy ending with her. Sadly it really has not worked out that way.

The small signals give it away, the way she removes her hand from his when he mentions his brother, she is withdrawing her love and letting him know ever so gently that she does not agree, he does not have her support anymore. The touching on the arm when she wants him to stop, the eye contact that says stop where you are. I have seen over and over again. The cutting over him when he is talking, and the way he has become so uncertain, so unsure of himself. He has lost his confidence, his sparkle, his easy smile. All gone. This is plainly obvious to anyone what is going on.
And whether people like rousette agree or not, hardly matters. Here we have a man who probably needs help, definitely needs support and has just lost his family on top of everything else. It really won't end well.

She is the US version of Jeremy Kyle, and we don’t have him on screen anymore because his shows were so damaging

Oprah? What a slur
Awful

Hmmm I think JK was far less damaging than the scripted show she and Meghan performed.

As per this article, she was awfully pally with Harvey Weinstein for at least 2 decades. www.news.com.au/entertainment/awards/golden-globes/oprahs-relationship-with-weinstein-highlighted-amid-presidential-rumours/news-story/3e03b57ff6bcb7caf2415655deaa34b6 I’ve also posted a screenshot of part of the article. The bit, where HW coerced a young woman into sex using his connections with OW. And where HW alleges OW called him after the scandal broke offering advice and support.

Let us not forget, OW more than the best known talk show host on the planet is also an Oscar acclaimed actress. There were 2 actresses in the room the day the show was filmed and Meghan definitely isn’t the more experienced or better of the two.

Itsalonghaul. Your insight has been most illuminating, hope you are in a good place and can look back at your prior life experiences and be relieved that you have moved on. My only knowledge of coercive control has been Helen's storyline in the Archers from some years ago!!

Let us not forget, OW more than the best known talk show host on the planet is also an Oscar acclaimed actress.

'Wh-u-u-tt!! Kate made you cry!! I've never been so scandalised in all my born days!!'

I think Oprah over-egged the acting pudding. I blame the chickens.

I saw that "private investigator" on tv the other day. He was American. Who hired him? Has it been established it was a British organisation?

Yes. and yes. The Sun hired him

itsalonghaul
And whether people like rousette agree or not, hardly matters

What the hell do you mean by 'people like me'? How rude. How dismissive.

There's plenty on these threads who feel like I do. I feel your opinion hardly matters either if you want to go down that route.

You are sounding really over invested in Harry, his mental health, his welfare and you are now calling him 'broken and vulnerable', let alone all the other stuff you have spouted on this thread.
You don't know.

I can't believe the slurs about Oprah Winfrey now.

It seems that anyone that associates with Meghan Markle gets 'the treatment'.

Thank you sally I am in a great place now.

I look back and consider that it was a type of a spell. I was not able to fully articulate at the time, or even now. It is a very gradual process, you don't even notice. You fall in love, but it is more than that, somehow you become dependent and enmeshed very early on, it is you and them against the world. It is a romantic comfortable bubble that at the start feels special.

But then you start to lose autonomy bit by bit, all done very nicely and 'out of love' but the control extends to just about every corner of your life. After a while you begin to realise you don't recognise yourself, or your surroundings anymore. You start forgetting who you are, what you like, what your choices would be - your identity is almost rewritten. Your self esteem plummets and so does your confidence. Suddenly you find you can't leave, even if you wanted to.

Moreover nothing you do or say is listened to or respected, your voice is lost in the relationship and then outside as well. You can't imagine what your life, friends, values even looked like before. It feels like a different life.
It is a form of brainwashing. And it is all done with love and often ample affection, and often without even a cross word. You wake up one day and your life is no longer your own. You can't explain to the people around you, because you are a fully grown adult, that you are in trouble. Even if you had someone to tell, because by then you are isolated, cut off and without any support and have been for years. Your friends have long since given up. It is pretty desperate.

I am invested in anyone that is trapped in a similar situation to me twenty years ago, that is why I have pretty much devoted my life to helping others. I know what I see, and I will leave it at that.

Frankly both the rf and MM and her L.A. lifestyle are about a billion light years away from what anyone experiences here.

Trying to make out that H&M are a little nuclear family is absolutely daft: they are very wealthy privileged people living with a huge staff and surrounded by an inordinate amount of ‘friends’ . I think H has moved seamlessly from one gilded cage to another. I don’t think he feels “trapped” because all he knows is people bowing and scraping and having the absolute best of everything.

I don’t feel sorry for him at all. I think he’s probably enjoying all the Hollywood A List stuff - it’s all glamorous and exciting after the dull old UK - and he has a beautiful wife and child plus another on the way. Possibly he’s even enjoying the drama of the row with the palace, or at least William.

@Itsalonghaul

I still find it rather incredible that Oprah exploited their pain so fully, she let them sink themselves and by god all of her christmases must have come at once with the ratings. But you have to question the morality of that interview, the airing of that kind of stuff knowing the pair that are sitting with you have been very open about their mental health problems, and still seem rather removed from reality whether that is by circumstance or medication.

Oprah is not a decent and caring person that she pretends to be, she would have considered what this bombshell will eventually do to their lives. She is definitely now implicated in their downfall, and will come to be seen as someone with no morale compass at all, exploiting them in this way.

Oprah is a cool headed and astute businesswoman. She’s done a lot of good with her money but she’s no softie.