Harry has a lot to answer for.

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I think Harry has a lot to answer for in this whole debacle. He's a 35 year old man brought up as a Royal who should know how the whole thing works and how to ensure his wife is fully educated in the rules and regs. of being a Royal. She was his wife, why on earth was she going to HR at the Palace for help with mental health problems? Harry has loads of experience and the knowledge of where to get help, what on earth was he doing? Harry knows full well that there is a rule about not being given a royal title when it comes to Archie. Why didn't he explain this to Megan? It has absolutely nothing to do with Archie's skin colour. Why is Harry moaning about having their security removed given his father paid £4m for their security after the tax payer stopped paying after they moved to California?
It is not the Royal family's decision whither or not someone has The Metropolitan Police fly over to do security duties.
Prince William sorted the press out when they were making disparaging comments about Kate, why didn't he put his foot down as his brother did?

I think the general weirdness of growing up as a royal or indeed as a celebrity (where it's harder to have normal friendships and it's also very difficult to know whether overtures of friendship from another person are actually genuine or are actually motivated by a desire for money or status) makes family members more important. If I were part of the royal family, I think I'd really want to have decent relationships with other royal family members who "get" what it's like to grow up like this and who can be relied upon not to be sycophants or friends of convenience.

In any case, Harry has also alienated himself from so many of his friends, ex Army people and the people at Invictus etc. I find it strange that Meghan appears to be so OK with this.

Lockdown

Good point but I am not the RF with all its pressures and I cannot imagine having to protect an archaic establishment at all costs

I remember one media commentator pointing out when they first went to Canada that a major problem for Harry might be lack of routine and structure. He has had that all his life, and by all accounts, relished in it whilst in the army. Who knows how much he has now?

Roussette, you describe your own family unit as being you, your dh and your adult children and their kids. So, you're not in a parallel situation to Harry & Meghan. You're in Charles/Thomas's position, whereby one of your beloved children has moved away and effectively gone No Contact. Would you be happy with that?

@CallmeHendricks in normal life most parents treat their children equally.
so the chances of Roussettes child doing that is nil. she would have to throw their partner to the wolves first. most parents don't do that.

How do you know Charles has not treated his sons equally? Apart from what you may have read in the media? The rules of the monarchy may dictate that the heirs to the throne are afforded certain privileges and treatment, but that is different from the family, and all we (think we) know about that recently is that Charles is supposed to have given H&M millions of pounds in financial support (possibly in an attempt to redress an imbalance, as William may not have needed such support, due to his position as an heir).

why would their kids want to have anything to do with people who have treated their parents so badly? good lord. they haven't been treated badly, they just haven't been given everything they demand. There's a vast difference.

They did not need to even work for the RF, William didn't until quite recently after a few years of married life and he is the heir. It was all their choice, which makes the urgently legging it to LA via Canada business seem so spurious. They could have just backed it off and quietly enjoyed married life, the family would have supported them as they have for everyone who does similar.

The whole thing looks like a massive diva strop to me. The titles issue (and other things they say) confirm it. To see M acting with a tear in her eye about how much she's lost - pass the bucket, she hasn't lost a damned thing, she's only gained from the day she engineered meeting him. Its Harry who's lost just about everything, not that I have any sympathy now we know his shitty attitude to his work and his country.

The way they're going, their DC will grow up as petulant and dissatisfied as they are. LA people are a whole other level of high maintenance.

Lets hope they just roll up their sleeves and quietly get on with all that lovely service they're so desperate to do but were somehow prevented from as senior royals and commonwealth representatives.

Do they have any control about whether the remaining 90 minutes are aired or not?

Good question, @Diptyque.

I wonder whether it was not aired because there was no time, or because it was not interesting enough OR because it was too explosive.
But if the existence of the footage is going to be used as some kind of bargaining chip, it might be better to just air the stuff, get the ensuing hubbub done and dusted and then let everyone move on.

probably not diptyque. its CBS, the same company who were the only ones to show the Diana death photos. odd H would even choose to work with that company, isn't it.

you describe your own family unit as being you, your dh and your adult children and their kids

No GC yet, I live in hope! I will repeat what I said above, I am not in the RF and having to protect the establishment at all costs so I can't imagine the scenario. Sorry, can't get me on that one!

@redspecial
I'm speechless!

There are a few odd things about all of this that make it look like Harry isn't the one pulling the strings.

But that is beyond everything. How can he live with himself?

How far will he be pushed?

@Hoppinggreen

I feel for M, she really had no idea what she was getting into and the British press were (and still are) vile to her. However, I do think Harry could have helped her more but then would she have listened to him?

She didn't know what she was getting into?

Megan was educated at a top tier university, surely she knows how to research. Or are you saying North Western university isn't that great?

@Lockdownbear I just think he really is that thick not to have noticed TBH. He can't not have known, CBS are the only media company who refused requests not to show those pictures.

MN is groaning with threads by people who have been moved away from home (usually to their partners home turf), who have been isolated from their family and friends, etc and have their interests and personality eroded. The advice is always the same.

What happened to his mum is heartbreaking and how it was handled too. But...i know a woman whose toddler died in a tragic accident. She was given a week off work to overcome her grief. That was it. I can't help thinking, yes, so awful what happened to him, but ordinary people get minimal sympathy and help in times of bereavement.

My father died when I was 8. I got one day off school.

Harry doesn't know how privileged he is.

@redspecial yes the advice is always the same, Get your ducks (chickens) in a row and LTB. Except it's always easier said than done.

More complicated when the B, is still carrying your much loved and wanted baby.

We are far from immediate family, but have WhatsApp groups, Facebook, Instagram and whatever the latest thing is. Not all at once, but we have contact.
I hope Harry has the same, and Meghan. I had a chat last night with dhs sil, nothing major. She knows my gripes with my inlaws...she is Kate and I am Meghan!

she is Kate and I am Meghan!

Wow, some posters are cray cray. You are not these people, take a step back folks. Other people are: different to you; may choose to live their lives differently to you: have different family relationships to you; will feel about those relationships differently to you. That does not mean you are right and they are wrong.

In addition, trying to shoehorn the lived experience of members of the RF into your ordinary existence is odd and futile. They are part of a centuries old, anachronistic institution that seeks to perpetuate itself and survive at any personal cost. Your wee family down the road is not the same, it really isn't.

I think it is very wrong to say that Harry is in an abusive and coercive relationship.

Very wrong indeed.

If Meghan truly loves him as she claims, she would be very worried about him and very upset at what is happening in his family, not throwing logs on the fire in a public arena.

Ahhhh posters doubting she actually loves him now.

This thread is getting beyond ridiculous.

@Roussette

Ahhhh posters doubting she actually loves him now.

This thread is getting beyond ridiculous.

Okay so it’s your son. How would you feel?

Why is it wrong? That is what I see rousette It is not easy for me to say it, but I don't think for a minute I am the only that sees it. Anyone that has had an experience like this, knows the signs. Inside and out.

I don't believe Harry had any choice but to leave. I think Meghan threatened all sorts, and we know she took the flight to Canada alone with Archie. It was all extremely last minute.
We know they did not plan it this way. Harry wanted to move to Africa, not Hollywood. They had hoped to be half in and half out, and when that didn't work he was forced to choose.
Her or them.
He choose her, and the Canadian life they said they wanted quickly morphed into Hollywood celebrity mansions - and before he even had time to unpack up or decompress he is signed up and mortgaged to the hilt. Job done. And if that wasn't enough, just to make doubly sure he won't leave, she burns every bridge with his family in full technicolour.
And you are trying to tell me this is a good outcome for him?

Okay so it’s your son. How would you feel?

You are the third poster to ask this. I have answered before. Scroll back

And this..

In addition, trying to shoehorn the lived experience of members of the RF into your ordinary existence is odd and futile. They are part of a centuries old, anachronistic institution that seeks to perpetuate itself and survive at any personal cost. Your wee family down the road is not the same, it really isn't

Why is it wrong?

Because you are projecting your experiences on to this unique position. Unless of course you are a member of the RF.

You think this..
You don't believe that...
You know that...
You think whatever...

All the supposition in the world doesn't make it that you know anything.

I will repeat... it is very wrong to say Harry is in a coercive and abusive relationship. And to state that as fact. And I find it pretty revolting to speculate that their marriage is breaking up whilst they are a few months away from having a second child.