Harry has a lot to answer for.

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I think Harry has a lot to answer for in this whole debacle. He's a 35 year old man brought up as a Royal who should know how the whole thing works and how to ensure his wife is fully educated in the rules and regs. of being a Royal. She was his wife, why on earth was she going to HR at the Palace for help with mental health problems? Harry has loads of experience and the knowledge of where to get help, what on earth was he doing? Harry knows full well that there is a rule about not being given a royal title when it comes to Archie. Why didn't he explain this to Megan? It has absolutely nothing to do with Archie's skin colour. Why is Harry moaning about having their security removed given his father paid £4m for their security after the tax payer stopped paying after they moved to California?
It is not the Royal family's decision whither or not someone has The Metropolitan Police fly over to do security duties.
Prince William sorted the press out when they were making disparaging comments about Kate, why didn't he put his foot down as his brother did?

Out of interest itsalonghaul do you think it is healthy or good for his family not have put out a statement to the press about the vitriolic negative stuff being written, thereby not protecting them and thus ending up in this situation?

Your question is daft. No one wanted this. Are you expecting me to say 'yes this is a good thing'. ?! Course not. But actions have consequences for all of them. (see above)

But it does seem a bit concerning when you add the fact that H has placed every egg he has in Meghan's basket.

And even worse, Meghan handed them over to Oprah!

To my mind, the chicken coop scenes were the most revealing in that interview. They seem to have been filmed after the main interview as reference is made to the Duke of Edinburgh being in hospital. So there has been some time for H&M to consider the potential impact of their words in the main interview, words which cannot now be taken back.

In the coop we see Meghan, her face bathed in sunlight, talking excitedly to Oprah about the pre-wedding wedding that was news to all of us, including the Archbishop.

Meanwhile, sitting slumped to one side in the shadows is Harry. He only makes a half-hearted attempt to join in.

He has the look of a man who sacrificed a beloved rescue chicken in vain because his missus told him she was inviting Oprah round for a family roast.

@HeadNorth
What you describe sounds normal, not speaking daily, only seeing cousins occasionally in adulthood.

The trouble is Harry has cost all trust to be lost.
Would you talk to you cousins at all if you thought they'd twist anything you said out of all context and tell your boss, colleagues, friends and other family?

HeadNorth exactly. My family are my DCs, their partners, my DH. That is my family. And I've been married nearly 35 years.

Having said that we had a zoom call with my siblings last night. We have something that needs sorting at the moment, which means more frequent calls, but it's unusual. We've never been one of those families who go on holiday together! I haven't seen my cousins for decades. Nothing wrong with them, we're really not close though.

I have my own family.

The chicken pics are hilarious! You can read anything at all into any photo if you try hard enough. It's a snap of an expression at that moment in time.
Are the chickens looking puzzled with what's going on?!

I think the chickens are blissfully happy and oblivious to all the drama Roussette. (Obviously nobody has shown them the engagement interview.)

Maybe the chooks would take it all in and nod sagely!

I see one cousin every week. She does my accounts. The rest I don't see often or they have died. However I know they're there and I could call in a crisis. And this applies to their children as well. We're all part of a community. I hope Harry is still in touch with his cousins. He might need them.

Out of interest itsalonghaul do you think it is healthy or good for his family not have put out a statement to the press about the vitriolic negative stuff being written, thereby not protecting them and thus ending up in this situation?

The RF don't do this for anyone, so why would MM be a special case? She knew was she was getting into, she is nearly forty years old, not a naive spring chicken freshly hatched (couldn't resist!)

I am not close to my extended family either, but I do have an amazing set of very close friends, friends for years and years. Harry doesn't even have that.

It is not the family situation that worries me so much, many families are estranged, it is the fact he has literally nobody at all apart from MM. He is entirely dependent on her now.
His children are too young to offer any support and will be for decades. He is alone with MH problems, thousands of miles from everything he knows with nobody at all. It is very far from ideal for him I should imagine.

The RF don't do this for anyone, so why would MM be a special case?

Because the level of vitriol was beyond a joke.

And because a Palace spokesman made a statement about Kate not having hair extensions and denied botox.

I have friends too, and honestly really... you don't know who he is in contact with as far as friends. How can you say he has no friends?! And you really should not worry so much. With all due respect, you are sounding totally over invested in Harry.

So much stuff was said and twisted, that I'd doubt Harry's kids are going to have a relationship with their cousins even to see now and again in later life.

Why would anyone with any sort of public profile want to be involved with Harry and Meghan?

@Lockdownbear

So much stuff was said and twisted, that I'd doubt Harry's kids are going to have a relationship with their cousins even to see now and again in later life.

Why would anyone with any sort of public profile want to be involved with Harry and Meghan?

why would their kids want to have anything to do with people who have treated their parents so badly?

@OutwiththeOutCrowd

But it does seem a bit concerning when you add the fact that H has placed every egg he has in Meghan's basket.

And even worse, Meghan handed them over to Oprah!

To my mind, the chicken coop scenes were the most revealing in that interview. They seem to have been filmed after the main interview as reference is made to the Duke of Edinburgh being in hospital. So there has been some time for H&M to consider the potential impact of their words in the main interview, words which cannot now be taken back.

In the coop we see Meghan, her face bathed in sunlight, talking excitedly to Oprah about the pre-wedding wedding that was news to all of us, including the Archbishop.

Meanwhile, sitting slumped to one side in the shadows is Harry. He only makes a half-hearted attempt to join in.

He has the look of a man who sacrificed a beloved rescue chicken in vain because his missus told him she was inviting Oprah round for a family roast.

🤣🤣🤣

Just think of the chickens, folks, it's all about the chickens 🐥🐤🐔

If you look at stills from the interview Harry is listless and looks sad. She looks like the actress she is.

rousette We know he has lost all of his friends, because they themselves have made it very clear they haven't heard from him, at all, for a very long time. Harry's friends are actually very worried about him. They say he has changed beyond all recognition. They note that he has disappeared entirely. So lets be clear, he does not have friends, he now no longer has family.

Anyone else would say this is a precarious position for anyone to be in, and smacks of a controlling relationship. We have all read enough posts on here to know what they look like.

I worry where it will end, because being cut off and losing everything is painful for any human being, but more so for someone that had so much loss in childhood.

MM had the same flack as they are did. Fergie had the worst by far. I actually think the press were more careful with MM. You have obviously forgotten what happened to Diana, Fergie and all the rest. It comes with the territory. If you don't like it, don't marry into the RF

But, Roussette, , it’s one thing not to be very close to your family, and quite another to have a huge schism - all played out in public.

I can say that I don’t think Meghan was a bully and that “demanding” is probably more like it. I don’t see why those who are “pro” can’t ever admit that M&H are not always right and that they - like any humans - have their flaws. Surely, surely , no one can think the Gayle King tittle-tattling was a good move?

I still find it rather incredible that Oprah exploited their pain so fully, she let them sink themselves and by god all of her christmases must have come at once with the ratings.
But you have to question the morality of that interview, the airing of that kind of stuff knowing the pair that are sitting with you have been very open about their mental health problems, and still seem rather removed from reality whether that is by circumstance or medication.

Oprah is not a decent and caring person that she pretends to be, she would have considered what this bombshell will eventually do to their lives. She is definitely now implicated in their downfall, and will come to be seen as someone with no morale compass at all, exploiting them in this way.

All the speculation on here about when the marriage will fail and the statements about Harry being totally cut off from family and friends is unpleasant and some verges on downright nasty. Criticism of their behaviour is one thing (and there's plenty there to criticise) but surely that doesn't make it open season on their marriage and none of us knows that Harry is not in contact with any friends in the UK or members of his family.

I think there was an element too of M being new to the family and being expected to make an impact in a positive way . Kate was a very well established member by the time press rebuttals were issued . She had a lot of unkind Press before that. Fergie didn’t have rebuttals issued at all as I remember.
She was an experienced woman who had been in the public eye. She’s not a shy wallflower. They probably expected her to show a bit of gumption and crack on as other members of the family had. Also, she made a lot of poor choices and didn’t listen to advice. So many of the bad headlines would have been avoided if she’d been more savvy.

She is the US version of Jeremy Kyle, and we don't even have him on our screens anymore because his shows were so damaging. I
It is savage and brutal and unlikely to end well for anyone, H&M included. I still have no idea why they would ever agree to it. That in itself is disturbing. There were a million ways to have the last say without ruining your brand, family and future.

@Itsalonghaul

I still find it rather incredible that Oprah exploited their pain so fully, she let them sink themselves and by god all of her christmases must have come at once with the ratings. But you have to question the morality of that interview, the airing of that kind of stuff knowing the pair that are sitting with you have been very open about their mental health problems, and still seem rather removed from reality whether that is by circumstance or medication.

Oprah is not a decent and caring person that she pretends to be, she would have considered what this bombshell will eventually do to their lives. She is definitely now implicated in their downfall, and will come to be seen as someone with no morale compass at all, exploiting them in this way.

People who make their living in Hollywood generally think about the big bucks, not morality. If they are stupid enough to go on national TV and make a spectacle of themselves that is their choice and they must live with the consequences. Oprah didn’t put words in their mouths.They chose the script, without doubt. If it wasn't her it would have been someone else.

@Roussette you've been married a long time, I'll assume you have adult kids.
How would you feel one of your kids was in Harry's position.

Given up their job without really thinking it through, gave up their tied house, moved to another continent, no longer be trusted, fallen out with their siblings, not talking to friends they'd had for years?

You welcomed his future wife, took her to family do's that were strickly family only before they were married, your husband walked her down the aisle?

I hope rousette is right and it works out for them. No matter how poorly they have behaved, they have little kids mixed up in this, and the children deserve to have a happy, carefree childhood free of all of this BS. I wish them all well, and hopefully that it is the end of it now, the toxicity ends now and everyone can move on with their lives.

She is the US version of Jeremy Kyle, and we don't even have him on our screens anymore because his shows were so damaging

Oprah? What a slur.
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