Harry has a lot to answer for.

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I think Harry has a lot to answer for in this whole debacle. He's a 35 year old man brought up as a Royal who should know how the whole thing works and how to ensure his wife is fully educated in the rules and regs. of being a Royal. She was his wife, why on earth was she going to HR at the Palace for help with mental health problems? Harry has loads of experience and the knowledge of where to get help, what on earth was he doing? Harry knows full well that there is a rule about not being given a royal title when it comes to Archie. Why didn't he explain this to Megan? It has absolutely nothing to do with Archie's skin colour. Why is Harry moaning about having their security removed given his father paid £4m for their security after the tax payer stopped paying after they moved to California?
It is not the Royal family's decision whither or not someone has The Metropolitan Police fly over to do security duties.
Prince William sorted the press out when they were making disparaging comments about Kate, why didn't he put his foot down as his brother did?

I'm sure the children you know are happy, well adjusted and normal. And I'm sure Archie will be the same.
Because he has loving parents.

I find it very wrong to get at their parenting like this to be honest.

But as I say, we will agree to disagree.

sam The racism will be the easiest conversation to have, it is very straightforward, we will never ever allow any racism in our family or in our circle of friends, it will always be called out - and this will be something he will be raised to know from birth as my children have been (it will be less obvious why Harry waited over three years to call them out on it, but glossing over that bump in the story should fix that in the early years anyway)

but telling him she felt suicidal whilst pregnant? That is not going to be so straightforward or easy to hear. He will immediately ask her as any child would what is suicide? And how do you even go there with a young child. It is so so messed up. I am sorry but it is. I wish it were not.

So mothers should not talk about their mh just in case a bully will blly their child.
Wow

I agree that Archie will be fine with it because his loving parents will make sure that he is. If he goes to school with the children of (other) celebrities in L.A. then his trials and tribulations will be nothing compared to some of his peers.

I actually don't think it is very loving to do this rousette that is my point, what is loving about us all knowing this?

I wish for their sakes, I could press rewind and change the course of history for them. I genuinely think they will look back on that interview as a terrible mistake, as it becomes more clear to them of the consequences, some that will not be seen for many years to come.

None of us are perfect, but someone should have told them, don't do it guys - and if you are going to do it, don't go there with such personal stuff as it will come back and bite you eventually. Oprah can never be worth the fallout that will continue now.

I hope they manage to enjoy their lives, and make a real success of it now.They can salvage what they can, and make the most of their lives together.

The key here is the concept of age-appropriate conversations. They gave up that level of control because of her need to go on Oprah. I hope, though, for the children’s sake, that I am wrong and that they can make this right.

There were times on these threads I thought people could not go any lower, but i have been proved wrong.
Its hits an all time low

How do the Mountbatten kids explain to friends why they aren't at Grandpa's big occasions?

Most other celebrity families manage to keep an element of privacy and keep stuff behind closed doors.

On another note, I was surprised when Meghan said that she knew Eugenie before she met Harry. I wonder how they met, and if she introduced them?

Any criticism of MM is seen by her devotees as below the belt. Some posters were unfair but the majority were not. That's why this thread is allowed to stand so far.

She went public to set the record straight and to get people to understand her plight. Not everyone sided with her. That's life. Not agreeing with her does not mean people are low, racist, terrible, etc.

She can't control the narrative and public opinion if she decides to go on Oprah.

Also, leaders that make the most impact rarely present themselves as victims.

@Maireas (waves) as far as I am aware Misha Nonoo is a mutual friend of both Meghan & Eugenie
www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.townandcountrymag.com/society/tradition/amp29149427/princess-eugenie-beatrice-misha-nonoo-wedding-outfits/

I used to think Harry as a "fun" Royal who had finally grown up and managed to carve his niche with the Invictus games, the Army etc.
I don't think it really mattered he's possibly not the sharpest tool in the box, there was a lot of good will towards him and I don't remember the tabloids being particularly awful when he did stupid things. Or maybe they were but it was forgiven very quickly.

I actually think he did try to explain what was expected but possibly glossed over in the fear Meghan would dump him too. I don't think she would have though.

As for Meghan, her modus operandi just reminds me of a woman I know in real life and I thank my lucky stars she's not family or a colleague because the few times we had to co-operate it was a case of "her way or the highway" and when we told her it wasn't possible/wouldn't work she first threw tantrums and then swanned off leaving others to clear up the trail of destruction. And God forbid you mention how much her cock ups have cost, it makes her feel bullied 🤔

I hope H and M find a way of supporting themselves and I hope they find a positive spin for their brand which hopefully doesn't involve slagging off the UK or the RF.

@TracyBeakerSoYeah (waves back!) thank you!
That Misha Nonoo has some address book.

I find it really peculiar that H would want to bare their souls in public like this. Having had a mother who created such embarrassment for her children with revelations of affairs and her own suicidal feelings, you would think Harry would want to do his best to shield his children from public embarrassment. Both his parents did toe curling interviews about private matters. They were both recorded in really embarrassing calls to lovers. William found these things excruciating.
Archie and his sister will grow up with the debacle over their grandfather in the public domain, and now the battles with their other grandfather and uncle spelt out on national TV. What an awful legacy to inherit. They will be taunted about it in the future, that much is certain. They don’t have a single family member left who they can have a relationship with apart from Doria now.

These discussions should have been the subject of therapy sessions, not a tell all.

So much of it doesn't make sense. It really is that thing of not thinking the whole thing though.

@Mummyoflittledragon

These discussions should have been the subject of therapy sessions, not a tell all.

Yes exactly.

@Samcro

So Meghan should not have mentioned the racism, incase her children get bullied. How warped is that.

My husband is mixed race, he views himself as black. He is mid 70s now. When he was a child his mother told him a remark a relative made about his skin colour. He loved this person and she loved him, maybe she had an issue with colour before she knew him but they were close. It breaks his heart even now that she said it. It occasionally comes up when something triggers it, like the whole Oprah interview.

I wish his mother had never said it, she did something very damaging to him and it had no positive side to it. I have no idea why she decided to tell him.

I’ve seen this & I hope it’s not true - apparently may be further interview footage. Can’t see how this will help reconciliation.

twitter.com/theroyaleditor/status/1373517545181941760?s=21

Quite apart from public embarrassment, it will be awful for the children to know that both their parents don’t get on with their families and have major issues with them. It isn’t going to help them form healthy relationships themselves.

@ancientgran for your dh 💐💐. We have similar with a family member.

I also understood William to have been mortified by his parents' interviews. He is the only member of his family not to have done one now!

[quote ImAncient]@ancientgran for your dh 💐💐. We have similar with a family member.[/quote]
Sorry you have this experience as well. So unnecessary.

I wonder what Doria thinks about all this, given her social work background?