Harry has a lot to answer for.

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I think Harry has a lot to answer for in this whole debacle. He's a 35 year old man brought up as a Royal who should know how the whole thing works and how to ensure his wife is fully educated in the rules and regs. of being a Royal. She was his wife, why on earth was she going to HR at the Palace for help with mental health problems? Harry has loads of experience and the knowledge of where to get help, what on earth was he doing? Harry knows full well that there is a rule about not being given a royal title when it comes to Archie. Why didn't he explain this to Megan? It has absolutely nothing to do with Archie's skin colour. Why is Harry moaning about having their security removed given his father paid £4m for their security after the tax payer stopped paying after they moved to California?
It is not the Royal family's decision whither or not someone has The Metropolitan Police fly over to do security duties.
Prince William sorted the press out when they were making disparaging comments about Kate, why didn't he put his foot down as his brother did?

Many many threads were deleted because of (realistic) comments that current events are bearing out.

Yes, this is true. There were some who took offence at the suggestion they wanted to leave the RF or had fallen out with them etc. These posts were then deleted as “speculation and not in the spirit” and then the same posters who took offence would claim the deleted posts all contained vile and racist comments which over time became repeated as fact when it simply wasn’t true. You can read the webcaches to see this. Many posts were then deleted because these same posters accused others of such speculation and again, folk law now claims it was all down to racist and vile comments.

@Kokeshi123

They seem very much in love to me too, but cynical old bags like me know that marriages take a lot more than being "in love." Marriage is hard work. They both come from families with a ton of divorce and dysfunction, it's Meghan's second marriage, it's an international marriage, and there is a lack of emotional support from extended family---just one person really (Doria). I don't think it's mean to point out that these things greatly increase the odds of things going tits-up. And that's not a reason not to try and get a marriage to work anyway, because what is life without risk? But it does seem a bit concerning when you add the fact that H has placed every egg he has in Meghan's basket.

Just as well that the one family member they are in contact with is trained in, and worked in, mental health for years so can help them if they need anything in that respect....

Meghan is an actress, Harry has been in the public eye since he was born, so it’s hard to take what we see of them as a genuine picture of how happy (or not) they are.

Well the Oprah interview raised more questions than it gave answers. Typical narcissist behaviour: keep people guessing.

One of The Behaviour Panel experts was asked, based on analysis of the Oprah interview, how he thinks M feels about H. His answer: he's serving her neurochemicals. AKA narcissistic supply. For now. For everyone's sakes I hope he's mistaken.

SoWhyNot Because at the time it was speculation??

Does that mean on MN we can speculate on anything anytime even if it is unpleasant?

I have never accused anyone of racism.
However, there is no denying there were racist and really unpleasant posts. I can remember them because I was shocked at the time.
However, that does not mean that every poster who criticises MM is racist.

I don’t think Harry looks happy when he’s in her company. He looks happier on his own, as in the James Corden bus interview. With her he looks tense and unhappy to me. She looks like she’s watching him all the time for indications he’s saying or doing the wrong thing. She’s totally in control and he has given up everything for her. I’m sure they feel they have escaped now and are free, but the price they will pay both literally and metaphorically will crush them I feel. I hope they do make a go of it, but they both need to stop talking about personal matters and the RF and focus on living quietly and with dignity on money they make themselves. Their whole marriage has been turmoil and strife, they need to cut out the drama and focus on their own family.

that does not mean every poster who criticises MM is racist absolutely, Roussette. What struck me from the interview is how woefully underprepared Meghan was for her new life. To answer the OP, Harry has some responsibility here.

@SoWhyNot well said. So much for the "cancel and silence" culture.

Isn't that strange GoLightly ... different perceptions maybe? OK, the interview is not the most normal place to look totally at ease, but apart from that I think they look as happy as pigs in shit!
Loving looks, comfortable with each other etc.
But what do I know

I think speculating when a marriage is going to finish, not even if... when a couple are expecting their second baby is pretty unsavoury. But there you go... call it cancel culture

I agree Roussette that speculation on their marriage is just that - we'll never know.
They seem to be happy and have an enviable lifestyle with wealth and privilege. Maybe with distance they can build bridges with his family? I notice that the Queen is appointing someone to oversee diversity/check racism so there is at least a nod to their concerns.

For those that have 'grown up' with Harry and watched him over the years at all different stages, he most definitely has gone from a cheerful, funny charming person to a sullen, miserable inward looking man. The difference in him is so striking. No one had an easier smile or a touch of banter more than Harry. Now you never see him as much as smile. He has literally changed beyond all recognition Maireas

So one has to question how happy he is, whether she is right for him because his seems deeply troubled.

The chances of them repairing and rebuilding bridges with his family now are around nil. He blew any chance of that with the Oprah interview.

I also agree Harry seemed a lot more at ease when being interviewed by James Corden. I am aware this could also be a bloke to bloke thing and because of the situation. I think Harry works better in movement than sitting and static. He doesn’t have a stoic personality, probably rather a kinaesthetic personality.

I would be really interested to understand the POV of people, who saw an image of a blissfully happy couple in the interview and why they see it that way.... I’ve seen the interview and rewatched a clip posted (I think) on this thread.

Did people notice how Meghan silenced Harry twice when he tried to interject when’s he was saying she’d received no guidance?

What do people make of that? Especially on comparing that to Meghan’s upset at being silenced. She seems to have done the same thing to her dh that she found so difficult to cope with, and on a programme broadcast all over the world.

@Mummyoflittledragon

I also agree Harry seemed a lot more at ease when being interviewed by James Corden. I am aware this could also be a bloke to bloke thing and because of the situation. I think Harry works better in movement than sitting and static. He doesn’t have a stoic personality, probably rather a kinaesthetic personality.

I would be really interested to understand the POV of people, who saw an image of a blissfully happy couple in the interview and why they see it that way.... I’ve seen the interview and rewatched a clip posted (I think) on this thread.

Did people notice how Meghan silenced Harry twice when he tried to interject when’s he was saying she’d received no guidance?

What do people make of that? Especially on comparing that to Meghan’s upset at being silenced. She seems to have done the same thing to her dh that she found so difficult to cope with, and on a programme broadcast all over the world.

Yes, I noticed that. She wants her version of events to be the only one. I read somewhere she’s been given a crack team to help her adjust and advise her, she just wouldn’t listen to any of them. I find it astonishing she didn’t do any research at all and just took Harry’s word for everything. There will have been many things he wouldn’t have fully known about, not having been a working Royal before he got engaged. The two of them have been spectacularly short sighted. All along it’s been M calling the shots and Harry scurrying along trying to keep up.

Do you think Harry was saying something different to the advisors?

I don't think she was listening to anyone, inc him. I think she was so wrapped up in the idea of being a fairytale princess that she missed the reality.

I couldn't see it before now but I think she is calling the shots.

I know what you mean, it'salonghaul, I think the pain is evident. As for rebuilding - the royal family have been portrayed so badly that they probably want to show an effort at conciliation. I agree it won't be easy.

Sorry that should be @Itsalonghaul

@Itsalonghaul I agree he seems to have lost his fun self.

Reconciliation with the RF will not be easy. I just can't see it happening while they are together. Bloods thicker than water and all that stuff, so it might happen for Harry alone.

@Lockdownbear

Do you think Harry was saying something different to the advisors?

I don't think she was listening to anyone, inc him. I think she was so wrapped up in the idea of being a fairytale princess that she missed the reality.

I couldn't see it before now but I think she is calling the shots.

I think she is too. She has isolated Harry from his family and support network. As manipulators do. H has lost all his family ties and M has only gained from it.

I think it was telling that at the end of that interview Oprah asks if she has got everything she wanted . She says yes. I think she has got everything she wants but he has lost nearly everything. She doesn’t seem to reflect on that.

I expect agreeing that she's got everything she wanted was just another thing to say, not her genuine feelings. She wants more, she wants to be respected and a success in business of some kind so she's got a lot further to go.

I didn't get any sense that Harry properly understood the damage he's doing to his family, maybe he's never had that in his mind always been a loose cannon but charmed his way out of it. He's lost his charm as ppl said above.

Saw part of a documentary last night about Edward who abdicated - they were saying how popular he was with all the people, he was at ease with people and had a cheeky charm very different from his brother. After he got with Wallis he looks really different, harrowed and drawn. I could see parallels with H.

Wallis also felt she was saddled with him for life and she had to be everything to him to make up for what he had lost

Yep! They were lost souls really weren't they? He always looked very pathetic and Queen Mum never forgave him for forcing her husband onto the throne (tho apparently that's what his father always wanted anyway..)

It's different for H&M because they've got children to make a new family with but I still think he looks miserable and I agree they don't have the best odds at a lasting marriage. Someone mentioned 'co-dependent' upthread I think that's the most accurate description - they don't look happy together, they look like they're leaning on each other for support.

@GoLightlyontheEarth

Wallis also felt she was saddled with him for life and she had to be everything to him to make up for what he had lost

I suppose the big question is whether Meghan will be prepared to stick with it for the long haul if she can have everything she wants without him.

Meghan has everything she wanted agreed, the huge fabulous house with famous friends, the prince and world wide attention and fame and money. Job done.

Harry on the other hand has lost everything, his family, his friends, his military titles, his home, his hobbies, his lifelong work and charities, his connections with the British army and veterans and all the love and goodwill of the British people. In a word, he has lost absolutely everything.

When the dust settles at some point this will all dawn on him.

In any other scenario if this happened to a normal woman here in MN we would certainly consider it abusive and manipulative. I am not sure why it would be viewed any other way just because it happens to be a man.

Harry can always return to his family and to our country if he needs and wants to, the door will never be closed for him - but not with Meghan, she will never be welcome here ever again.

Good points about Wallis - I remember a quote from her "it's hard to live out a love story". At the end of the chat, Oprah said "thank you for sharing your love story".
That's tough to embody a love story, or a fairytale.

Yes, impossible to live a fairytale - you have to live day to day, all the things you have to deal with. It must add extra pressure to feel that your relationship is being help up as perfect love.

Meghan has everything she wanted agreed, the huge fabulous house with famous friends, the prince and world wide attention and fame and money. Job done.

Ah, job done for the moment maybe, lots of attention, lots of sympathy, maybe get some more money out of the RF. It can't last tho. ppl have already made the point that they won't be trusted now by their famous friends in case they blab more 'conversations' and it seems there's never enough money for such types.